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Four
Unfinished Albums & a Baby Tour
An
interview/article with Geezer Butler & Bill Ward by Martin Popoff
This article originally appeared online here.
Here's an update for y'all from Geezer
and Bill on happenings in the Sabbath camp, and there's a lot, or
nothing at all, depending on whether you see life as a journey or the
sum of one's completed projects. Fact is, Ozzy, Geezer and Bill all
have albums in various states of undress, and Sabbath themselves have
worked up about six or seven new songs, at least one of which should
debut on the upcoming Ozzfest tour, which Sabbath is of course
headlining.
First of all, it looks like Ozzy's
album won't be out before the tour begins about a month from now with
one English date. His most recent collaborations have been with Zakk.
No Sabbath members are involved with his record and it isn't looking
to get finished any time soon. "He doesn't talk about it
much," says Geezer, "It's been six years now so his record
company isn't too happy (laughs)."
The album furthest along is Bill
Ward's. Entitled Beyond Aston, it will be mixed while Bill is out
rocking with the Sabs through the summer. Bill gives us the lowdown.
"I'm going to try finished it by May 3rd. I'm down to overdubs.
I've got an accordion, a choir, a couple of 12 string guitars; we've
got to put an orchestra on one song and a couple of vocals and pretty
much that's it. So it will be ready. It's going to be mixed while
we're doing Ozzfest, so I won't actually be there during the mix. But
it's in capable hands. So it will be ready for release, although I
don't have a label right now. I'm not really bothered and haven't been
thinking about it. I'm just trying to get the album done. I'd like it
to come out on a good label if possible. With respect to the title,
Aston is where we all grew up. There are some songs on there that are
reflective of my life there, from being brought up in Aston and
continuing on from there. And I wrote 'Beyond Aston' basically for
Ozzy. But he hasn't heard the song yet, and I wrote it for him about
ten years ago."
"We're nearly there. I just want
to finish it" laughs Bill, "because I've been working on it
for the last three years. And also, I don't want to go into a major
touring situation wondering about 'cut five, did we do the Protools?
Did we cut out A and B during the Protools session?' I don't want to
have those kinds of numbers in my head. I'm going out there to rock
and to drive Black Sabbath, and that's my total intention and to do
that I have to have focus and an absolutely clear head. So no, the
whole reason why I'm kind of working a little harder in April is to
make sure my decks are cleared so that when we go on that stage I know
exactly where I am, best as I can be. So I wouldn't do things that
would either jeopardize my energy for my own album or jeopardize my
energy for Black Sabbath."
It seems that Ward's found an even keel
with his health and that there's been no question of other drummers
for the upcoming tour, Geezer emphatically reiterating that "oh
for sure, there's only one Black Sabbath and that's the four of us
together. He's always had stamina; that was never a problem. I don't
know where he gets it though (laughs)."
"Yeah, I'm good. I totally stopped
smoking cold," notes Bill. "And I'm vegan now, although
saying that on one hand, I still like to have a piece of cheese every
once in awhile. And I like that Starbucks coffee too (laughs). Even
though it's non-fat milk, it's not really vegan. I'm probably not
exercising as much as I'm supposed to. But I do, yeah. I work out on
the exercise bike and I walk. Yesterday I walked five miles."
And how are the chops these days? Have
you added anything to your drum style in the last few years?
"I'm trying to (laughs). I think I
have, actually. I'm trying different things. I think I've improved a
little bit between my feet and my arms and my head. I'm trying to put
extra little things in. By the time when we finished with the Sabbath
tours and the Ozzfest tours in 1999, I felt pretty good about my
drumming. I felt that it was starting to awaken. And I thought, well,
you know, you're having a good time here because I was starting to put
some jazz chops in between all the hard rock. So I was enjoying doing
that. I don't think the audience could ever hear it, but I was having
a blast doing it. It just kept everything nice. So when we start
rehearsals for the coming tour of America and of England on May the
12th, I'm kind of hoping to come out of the gate pretty hard and
heavy. We've been rehearsing for six weeks already so my chops aren't
too bad."
Ward has also scrapped for now plans to
reissue Ward One: Along The Way, with or without the Ozzy tracks, with
or without re-recording the entire album, an idea which was bandied
about over the years as an additional disc completing a two disc set.
And here's Geezer on the progress of
his third solo album (one song title for you: 'The Ultimate Ghost').
"I'll work more on my album when I get back from the tour. I've
got about twelve songs done. It encompasses everything I've done.
Right now Clark Brown has done all the vocals and I'm working with
Pedro Howse again who was the guitarist on my last two albums."
Anything from your files that might
make it over to the Sabbath camp? "Yes, there's a really doomy
one that Bill wants to snatch for the Black Sabbath album (laughs). As
well, Tony likes one of them."
And here's Geezer with a few
impressions of the Sabbath material. "We just wanted to see what
we could come up with. We came up with about six or seven songs. No
song titles yet, but it's back to the roots, back to the old '70s,
early '70s sound. It's nothing like the Reunion tracks. That was done
on Protools. Bill and myself weren't even there until the songs were
done. This time we did it exactly the way we did the first three
albums, just sit in the studio and jam together and record everything
and then listen back to it all and then take the stuff that we like
and work on it. And Ozzy would come up with the vocal melodies which
is never a problem. So it's very much a group effort. And I'm not the
designated lyricist anymore. Ozzy might write something or Bill or
Tony. We're writing the way we used to on the first three albums. We
all have to like it. If only two of us like it, then we don't keep it.
And we're working up in Wales again, where we did the Reunion
rehearsals."
Did you get these tracks anywhere near
a finished state?
"Some of them, sort of. There are
no real lyrics yet. That's always the last thing that we put on. But
there are about three of them that we're probably ready to record. And
all we need now is about twelve others as good as that and we'll be
fine (laughs). There's one really strange one, sort of like a ballad,
very radio-friendly, and that was the first one to be dumped (laugh),
very commercial. We're not going to rush the album because if it
doesn't sound right, if it's not up to scratch as an album, then we
won't put it out."
And here's Bill's impression of the
songs thus far. "I think that they're pretty melodic, definitely
hard rock. I think that they're a good start in a sense that they are
from four guys getting together who haven't actually written anything
together for a long, long, long time. I feel that the beginning shows
incredible potential and promise. There are some slower songs which
actually have some jazz and real melodic feels and there's a real
melodic one that I was going to say is almost like 'Changes', but in a
rhythm sense it's nothing like 'Changes'. It really compliments Ozzy's
kind of lament voice. I don't know, there's something that is just
totally awesome about his voice when he sings sad songs; it just turns
out great. So we have something in that range, and then we have
something that is just so tight and uptempo and total f**king metal,
so the range is quite wide. We've just started to tap the mother lode.
I don't know, but there's potentially enough material to go for a
long, long time, not just for one album. But it's very exciting. There
are a lot of different ideas."
In terms of producers, Geezer offers
that "we've talked to Rick Rubin. He wants to do it. And that's
all we've spoken to so far." In terms of obscurities we might
hear from the band on their Ozzfest jaunt, Geezer says that
"we'll likely play one of the new ones. As well, we're working on
'Hand Of Doom', 'National Acrobat' and 'Back Street Kids', but that
one's not working out so well."
Work will likely continue on the Black
Sabbath album when the American Ozzfest tour is over, although the
band is getting pressured to continue Ozzfest into Asia and Australia.
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