http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/ en Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:07:21 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/images/styles/twisteddarkRed/misc/rss.png http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/ http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/showthread.php?40003-Why-Do-You-Like-Respect-the-Tony-Martin-Era&goto=newpost Fri, 31 May 2013 19:08:57 GMT I am an Ozzy era fan, first and foremost. I grew up with that music and it left an impression on me. I like the Dio era, and I like the Tony Martin... I am an Ozzy era fan, first and foremost. I grew up with that music and it left an impression on me. I like the Dio era, and I like the Tony Martin era a bit better than that. I am not a Tony Martin era fanboy by a long shot, but I do get frustrated with some of the commentary about why the Tony Martin era is garbage, etc. There is no doubt in my mind that the Sabbath name was made a mockery of during the time when there were more vocalists cycling through the band than albums being released, but there are three major constants in Sabbath: Ozzy, Dio, and Martin. Had Black Sabbath only consisted of these 3 front men, I think the chaos of the mid 80's would not have been such an integral, and frustrating, part of the Sabbath story. I like the Martin era, and we hear a lot of criticism of it, so if you like the Martin era, share it with us.

The Martin era was very different in some respects than the other eras, and there were some heavy ballads, some '80's production qualities, and a somewhat faceless front man. Having said that, the music, when given a chance and not compared directly with the other eras, is really very good. Tyr and Cross Purposes are excellent, and the other albums are very solid. The '80's production qualities are criticized, but they are what they are. The music is an accurate representation of what was going on in the '80's, and although that sound is not in vogue with the masses today, it will eventually be respected for its uniqueness, just like the '50', '60's, and '70's were, and still are.

Some say that the Martin era doesn't sound like Sabbath, and I agree that it doesn't sound like the Ozzy era, but then again, Led Zeppelin 1 does not sound like Led Zeppelin 3, or In Through the Out Door. Bands go through eras and sound changes, and that is a fact of life. Never Say Die was a vast departure from the Black Sabbath debut. I agree that some of the Martin era music sounds generic, but I personally found that to be very true of the Dio era as well, with a certain formula being applied to the Dio sound. It's pretty hard not to acknowledge that Martin has a great voice, although that is not always key to success.

Anyway, the Martin era does not get the respect or the credit that I think it deserves, and I also think that if people gave it an honest listening too, they would find the good in it. I like it, and I love a few of the albums, especially Tyr. Turmoil and poor marketing have impacted on this era, but does that mean it's bad? Or has it been tainted by a hellish time in Sabbath History? Martin committed to Sabbath for a long time, and I think that he deserves to be recognized for his efforts. Tell us your thoughts, and why you like the Martin era. ]]> The Tony Martin Era Now in Darkness http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/showthread.php?40003-Why-Do-You-Like-Respect-the-Tony-Martin-Era http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/showthread.php?39983-Used-Forbidden-CD-s-on-Amazon-UK&goto=newpost Thu, 30 May 2013 19:48:20 GMT Please delete this thread! I'm an idiot! :p ]]> The Tony Martin Era badactress http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/showthread.php?39983-Used-Forbidden-CD-s-on-Amazon-UK http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/showthread.php?39975-The-Eternal-Idol-Survivor-Round-V&goto=newpost Wed, 29 May 2013 02:38:59 GMT

Late in 2009 I restarted this forum's classic "Survivor" series of polls to determine your favorite track from every Black Sabbath album. We've gone through several of the albums now. I'm going to run through all the Black Sabbath studio albums by eras and then through the solo albums after that. We've gone through the Ozzy Era already, and have just completed the Dio era. The Ian Gillan & Glenn Hughes "eras" have just one album, so there won't be an "era" poll for them, nor do I think it's fair to compare those two albums against each other, so we'll go into the Tony Martin era after Seventh Star.

The idea here is that you vote for your LEAST FAVORITE song - not which song sucks per se, but of the available choices, the one you like the least. The one with the most votes will be removed from the list, and the list will be reposted minus that song until just one remains, as the album favorite. Each poll will run for 7 days.

ETERNAL IDOL NOTE: I realize the track "Black Moon" originally showed up during the sessions for this album, and was recorded. However, most people know that song as being from Headless Cross, and when we do the Headless Cross Survivor series, I'll put it there.

Also guys, if you see the current poll expire, and I haven't started a new one, please report the post, so I can be reminded. Thanks.



Apr 3: Scarlet Pimpernel was voted off.
Apr 28: Some Kind of Woman was voted off (man, I've been busy)
May 9: Lost Forever was voted off (this was technically a tie with Hard Life to Love, but I didn't want to vote two off at once)
May 28: Hard Life to Love was voted off

Here is the history of the previous Survivor Poll Series:

Black Sabbath (album):

DEC 17th 2009: Evil Woman has been voted off.
DEC 24th: A Bit of Finger / Sleeping Village has been voted off.
DEC 31st: Wicked World has been voted off.
JAN 7th 2010: Behind the Wall of Sleep / WASP has been voted off.
JAN 16th: Warning has been voted off.
JAN 22nd: The Wizard has been voted off.
JAN 28th: N.I.B. has been voted off.

Black Sabbath was the winner of the Black Sabbath (album) Survivor Poll.
It got 39.62% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these).

Paranoid:

FEB 4th: Rat Salad has been voted off.
FEB 11th: Planet Caravan has been voted off.
FEB 18th: Paranoid has been voted off.
FEB 25th: Electric Funeral has been voted off (by just three votes).
MAR 4th: Iron Man has been voted off.
MAR 11th: Fairies Wear Boots has been voted off.
MAR 18th: Hand of Doom has been voted off.

War Pigs was the winner of the Paranoid Survivor Poll.
It got 35.48% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these).

Master of Reality:

MAR 25th: Embryo has been voted off.
APR 1st: Orchid has been voted off.
APR 8th: Solitude has been voted off.
APR 15th: After Forever has been voted off.
Apr 22nd: Sweet Leaf has been voted off.
Apr 29th: Lord of this World has been voted off.
May 6th: Into the Void has been voted off.

Children of the Grave was the winner of the Master of Reality Survivor Poll.
It got 48.96% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these). It won by JUST TWO VOTES over Into the Void. The closest so far!

Volume 4:

MAY 13th: FX has been voted off.
MAY 27th Changes has been voted off.
JUN 3rd: Laguna Sunrise has been voted off.
JUN 10th: St. Vitus' Dance has been voted off.
Jun 18th: Cornucopia has been voted off.
JUN 25th: Tomorrow's Dream has been voted off.
JUL 8th: Snowblind has been voted off (sorry, I missed a week)
JUL 15th: Under the Sun / Every Day Comes and Goes has been voted off
JUL 22nd: Supernaut was voted off.

Wheels of Confusion was the winner of the Volume 4 Survivor Poll.
It got 46% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these).

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath:

JUL 29th: Fluff has been voted off.
AUG 5th: Who Are You has been voted off.
AUG 12th: Looking for Today has been voted off.
AUG 19th: Sabbra Cadabra has been voted off.
AUG 26th: Killing Yourself to Live has been voted off.
SEP 2nd: Spiral Architect has been voted off.
SEP 9th: A National Acrobat has been voted off.

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath was the winner of the Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Survivor Poll.
It got 43.82% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these).

Sabotage:

Sep 16th: Am I Going Insane (Radio) has been voted off.
Sep 23rd: Supertzar has been voted off.
Sep 30th: The Thrill of it All has been voted off.
Oct 7th: The Writ has been voted off.
Oct 14th: Hole in the Sky has been voted off.
Oct 21st: Megalomania has been voted off.

Don't Start / Symptom of the Universe was the winner of the Sabotage Survivor Poll.
It got 41.86% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these).

Technical Ecstasy:

Oct 28th: She's Gone has been voted off.
Nov 4th: Rock N Roll Doctor has been voted off.
Nov 11th: It's Alright has been voted off.
(There was a few weeks break as I was down sick with Bronchitis, didn't want to do anything on a computer).
Dec 2nd:All Moving Parts (Stand Still) has been voted off.
Dec 16th:Back Street Kids has been voted off.
Dec 23rd:Gypsy has been voted off.
Dec 30th:You Won't Change Me has been voted off.

Dirty Women was the winner of the Technical Ecstasy Survivor Poll.
It got 37.04% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these).

Never Say Die:

JAN 9th 2011: Breakout has been voted off.
JAN 23rd: Swinging the Chain has been voted off.
FEB 6th: Over to You has been voted off.
FEB 14th: Air Dance has been voted off.
FEB 20th: A Hard Road has been voted off.
FEB 27th: Shock Wave has been voted off.
MAR 6th: Never Say Die has been voted off.
Mar 13th: Johnny Blade has been voted off.

Junior's Eyes was the winner of the Never Say Die! Survivor Poll.
It got 36.84% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these).

Ozzy Era Survivor:

MAR 23rd: Selling My Soul has been voted off.
APR 7th: Psycho Man has been voted off.
APR 14th: Junior's Eyes has been voted off.
APR 21st: Dirty Women has been voted off.
APR 28th: Wheels of Confusion has been voted off.
MAY 5th: Black Sabbath (the song) has been voted off.
May 17th: Children of the Grave has been voted off.
May 31st: War Pigs has been voted off.
Jun 8th: Symptom of the Universe has been voted off.

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath was the winner of the Ozzy Era Survivor series, and the best overall Ozzy era track!
It got 42.86% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these).

Heaven & Hell Survivor:

Jun 26: Walk Away was voted off.
Jul 4: Wishing Well was voted off.
Jul 12: Lady Evil was voted off.
Jul 24: Lonely is the Word was voted off.
Aug 4: Neon Knights was voted off (by one vote over Die Young & two over Children of the Sea - real close!)
Aug 20: Children of the Sea was voted off.
Aug 30: Die Young was voted off.

Heaven & Hell was the winner of the Heaven & Hell Survivor Poll.
It got 26.25% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these).

Mob Rules Survivor:

Sep 5th: E5150 has been voted off.
Sep 13th: Slipping Away has been voted off.
Sep 27th: Over and Over has been voted off.
Oct 10th: Country Girl has been voted off.
Nov 7th: Voodoo has been voted off.
Nov 15th: The Mob Rules has been voted off.
Nov 22nd: The Sign of the Southern Cross has been voted off.

Falling off the Edge of the World was the winner of the Mob Rules Survivor Poll.
It got 46.75% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these).

Dehumanizer Survivor:

DEC 1st 2011: Buried Alive has been voted off.
DEC 12th 2011: Sins of the Father has been voted off.
DEC 19th 2011: Master of Insanity has been voted off.
DEC 26th 2011: Letters from Earth has been voted off (by one vote over Too Late)
JAN 4th 2012: Time Machine has been voted off (by one vote over Too Late)
JAN 11th 2012: Too Late has been voted off.
Jan 23rd 2012: TV Crimes has been voted off.
Jan 30th 2012: After All has been voted off.
Feb 8th 2012: I has been voted off.

Computer God was the winner of the Dehumanizer Survivor Poll.
It got 48.10% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these). It won by 3 votes.

The Dio Years Survivor:

Feb 20: Ear in the Wall has been voted off.
Feb 27: Shadow of the Wind has been voted off.

The Devil Cried was the winner of the Dio Years (new tracks) Survivor Poll.
It got 43.2% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these).

The Devil You Know Survivor:

Mar 8: The Turn of the Screw has been voted off.
Mar 15: Rock & Roll Angel has been voted off.
Mar 30: Neverwhere has been voted off.
Apr 15: Double the Pain has been voted off.
Apr 27: Eating the Cannibals has been voted off.
May 14: Breaking into Heaven has been voted off - by one vote over Fear.
May 25: Atom & Evil has been voted off.
Jun 2: Fear has been voted off.
Jun 24: Follow the Tears has been voted off.

Bible Black was the winner of the "Devil You Know" Survivor Poll.
It got 25.93% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these).

The Dio Era Survivor:

Jul 8: The Devil Cried was voted off.
Sep 10: Bible Black was voted off. (two months? WTF!)
Sep 22: Computer God was voted off.
Sep 29: Falling off the Edge of the World was voted off.

Heaven & Hell was the winner of the "Dio Era" Survivor Poll.
It got 42.86% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these).

Born Again Survivor:

Oct 9 - Keep it Warm was voted off.
Oct 21 - Digital Bitch was voted off.
Oct 29 - The Fallen was voted off.
Nov 6 - Hot Line was voted off (sadly).
Nov 13 - Born Again was voted off.
Nov 21 - Trashed was voted off.
Nov 28 - Zero the Hero was voted off.

Disturbing the Priest was the winner of the "Born Again" Survivor Poll.
It got 45.45% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins these).

Seventh Star Survivor:

Dec 6 2012: No Stranger to Love has been voted off.
Dec 14 2012: In Memory.. has been voted off.
Jan 19 2013: Angry Heart has been voted off.
Jan 28 2013: Turn to Stone has been voted off.
Feb 11 2013: Heart Like a Wheel has been voted off - What the fuck?
Feb 24 2013: In For the Kill has been voted off
Mar 11 2013: Danger Zone has been voted off

The Sphinx/Seventh Star was the winner of the "Seventh Star" Survivor Poll.
It got 30.56% of the final round vote to win (remember, smallest number wins the final round). ]]> The Tony Martin Era Joe Siegler http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/showthread.php?39975-The-Eternal-Idol-Survivor-Round-V http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/showthread.php?39951-Forbidden-is-the-only-Martin-Sabbath-album-I-ve-heard&goto=newpost Wed, 22 May 2013 20:06:40 GMT Hi everyone. I'm new here. I love the hell outta both Ozzy-Sabbath & Dio Sabbath. And I eventually even warmed up to Born Again. At one point, years ago, I found Forbidden for pretty cheap at a record store, and found it totally underwhelming. Boring, really. I gave it another listen some years later, and had somewhat of a change of heart. I think there's some good stuff on there. Not great stuff, but it has its moments.

So, as I eagerly await 13, I'd like to kill some time by checking out something else from Sabbath I haven't heard. So, of the other Martin-Sabbath albums, which one do you all think I should go after next? I've heard good and bad things about them all, but I figure Cross Purposes would be my best bet, being that it's the only one featuring Geezer. How 'bout it? ]]> The Tony Martin Era Tromafreak http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/showthread.php?39951-Forbidden-is-the-only-Martin-Sabbath-album-I-ve-heard