Dave Donato Recording

[Ray Rules]

Maybe `cause they sold their share of Sabbath name and material credits to Iommi

[Eternal Idol]

I love it .Im glad to hear that the band was thinking outside the Ozzy box. Its a shame that they didnt give this band a chance to grow .

[Ray Rules]

I don´t think so, bro. I really prefer the Glenn Hughes lineup, and Ray Gillen/Tony Martin's version for The Shining.. Dave DOnato have a good voice, and nothing else.

[amirmahdavi]

i opened http://www.myspace.com/rockdetector but where is the mp3?

[Eternal Idol]

Well i guess its the same with Ray Gillen we will never know how he would have sounded with Sabbath in a real working album !

[Psycho Man]

What do ya mean? We have the entire Eternal Idol album with Ray, we know exactly what he sounded like

[Eternal Idol]

No ! They are demos like the Donato ones . Finished product was done by Martin !

[Psycho Man]

The Donato ONE! Only one was released. And Rays stuf was essentially finished. Martin came in and rerecorded the vocals once Ray was out.

[Eternal Idol]

The finished product and the demos were quite different take a long listen. And i said ones because others were mentioned in the Never Say Die book .

[Ray Rules]

There are three Ray Gillen demos. Period. One is a rought version of Eternal Album, with no guitar solos, and Dave Spitz playing bass ( I have it ), the second is the very comon version with Bob Daisley playing the bass, and all guitar solos ( I ave this one ), and there's a third version, mixed and ready to go to the stores... of course, this one never came up to general circles.. (Joe have it).

Bob Daisley's version is pretty good, I rate it as A+.. very diferent from Dave Donato's and Fenholt's.. this two have a very poor quality. But Ray Gillen's version have a very good quality and show how talented Ray was..

[Eternal Idol]

I agree . Have 3 versions as well . Dont have any problem with Ray but once again he never recorded the finished product , just the demos . Saw Sabbath with Hughes when he was not at his best , wish i could have seen Ray !

[Psycho Man]

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There are three Ray Gillen demos. Period. One is a rought version of Eternal Album, with no guitar solos, and Dave Spitz playing bass ( I have it ), the second is the very comon version with Bob Daisley playing the bass, and all guitar solos ( I ave this one ), and there's a third version, mixed and ready to go to the stores... of course, this one never came up to general circles.. (Joe have it).

Bob Daisley's version is pretty good, I rate it as A+.. very diferent from Dave Donato's and Fenholt's.. this two have a very poor quality. But Ray Gillen's version have a very good quality and show how talented Ray was..

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also there are some instrumental demos before Ray was there.

[Eternal Idol]

Hmm love to hear those . Sorry to say but only way to hear this stuff is to get ahold off the boots that are out there !

[Petoria000]

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One is a rought version of Eternal Album, with no guitar solos, and Dave Spitz playing bass ( I have it ), the second is the very comon version with Bob Daisley playing the bass

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Why were Dave Spitz's basslines erased and re-recorded by Bob?

[Gardener]

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One is a rought version of Eternal Album, with no guitar solos, and Dave Spitz playing bass ( I have it ), the second is the very comon version with Bob Daisley playing the bass

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Why were Dave Spitz's basslines erased and re-recorded by Bob?

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In fact I don't even think that Spitz recorded anything. I think he was put on "holydays" very early in the writing process and Bob Daisley did the whole thing. I mean, you don't hire someone like Bob Daisley just to re-record some bass lines, you want him to help writing his own stuff.

[Ray Rules]

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One is a rought version of Eternal Album, with no guitar solos, and Dave Spitz playing bass ( I have it ), the second is the very comon version with Bob Daisley playing the bass

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Why were Dave Spitz's basslines erased and re-recorded by Bob?

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In fact I don't even think that Spitz recorded anything. I think he was put on "holydays" very early in the writing process and Bob Daisley did the whole thing. I mean, you don't hire someone like Bob Daisley just to re-record some bass lines, you want him to help writing his own stuff.

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The bassline was re-wrote too man. If you give it a good listen, you will see that the essence of the bassline is diferent, with some diferent notes and scales..

[jackstripper]

I could nt get to hear it

[amirmahdavi]

Where is the Song?!?!?!?!?!!?! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Psychophobia]

Damn, the things you miss while you're away... hope the song is working again sometime in the future.

[Ray Rules]

I'll up it to El Lobo's place when I have the time.. I'll say when I'm done.. wait a few hours or days..

[Psycho Man]

I beat you to it Ray, for those who don't know its called "No Way Out"

[Ray Rules]

That's why you'll be the next king! =p I'mn just a regular super duper citizen! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[rar]

oh its up? i shall obtain this

[Eternal Idol]

We need to hear the rest of these demos . My other wishlist .
Dehuminizer with Martin.
The Sun City shows and the pre Eternal Idol shows from Greece . Mabye 1 day ???????????????

[Petoria000]

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We need to hear the rest of these demos . My other wishlist .
Dehuminizer with Martin.
The Sun City shows and the pre Eternal Idol shows from Greece . Mabye 1 day ???????????????

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Definitely.

I wonder if Martin will ever "accidentally" leak his Dehumanizer tape someday...

[Eternal Idol]

I would accidentally pay alot of serious $$$$$$$$$$$$$

[mymusic1972]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/brickwall.gif[/img] can anyone help me i still cannot open up the myspace file and listen to it? any other formats available?

[Ray Rules]

Well man, I can e-mail it too you... but I'm not sure If I should, I mean... you're new amonmg us, and I don´t want to send it to a man who could use it to make some money..

[mymusic1972]

well i guess that will be up to you. i just want to listen to it that is all and i will not have no hard feelings if one says no. i see what people mean as far as selling stuff look at ebay! so just let me know and we will talk on the board here. best of luck to you and have a great day!

[Ray Rules]

PM me with your e-mail, dude! I'll send it to you!

[Nightwing]

Dave has told me his basslines were rewritten after Bob was brought in to help Ray Gillen with the lyrics. Ray was a great singer but wasn't really good at coming up with lyrics. This part is kinda in dispute in the Sabbath book.

[Ray Rules]

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Dave has told me his basslines were rewritten after Bob was brought in to help Ray Gillen with the lyrics. Ray was a great singer but wasn't really good at coming up with lyrics. This part is kinda in dispute in the Sabbath book.

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No, no. Ray told himself that at that time, he was pretty imature to wrote lyrics FOR SABBATH man, that's why he left the work for Bob Daisley who had more experience about that. Three years latter, and in his own band, Ray wrote every single word for every single song for Badlands, and the lyrics are just awesome, check In A Dream or Seassons.

[mymusic1972]

hey ray rules,

i just sent you the address. i am not very computer friendly seeing there may be a couple of e-mail's there so i hope you don't get mad. i will talk to you later boss!

[renbergs]

I've listened a few times now to the Donato recording [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif[/img]
Glad he was fired [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[mymusic1972]

i thought it was okay. did you listen to only the one song or are there others? if donato wrote the lyrics he did not do as good job and it shows not only on the demos but the white tiger cd as well.

[Eternal Idol]

does anyone have the white tiger cd ? is it any good or worth buying ? also there are others demos that Donato did but are not released yet !

[Psycho Man]

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are others demos that Donato did but are not released yet !

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yes

[mymusic1972]

the white tiger cd that was released in the 80's just suffers from bad production that is all. the lyrics are somewhat weak but the guitar work is great! there is a demo cd i saw on amazon.com it is called raw but it is not available. i got my white tiger cd on ebay used for 6.00. the guy i bought it from had 5 of them so i just paid like 2 dollars for the cd and 4 for shipping. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[Eternal Idol]

Hows Daves vocals on this cd ?

[mymusic1972]

not bad at all to tell you the truth. he has good vocal range and he doesn't seem to sing the same on all of the songs. two songs that stick out are rock warriors the re-mixed version and bad time coming. those are my favs on the disk.