Tribute singer Jorn Lande, etc...

[rrh3]

After watching the videos of Jorn Lande posted on this site, his voice is not even close to Dio's. To me Jorne Lande's voice soundsa little like a mix of Ian gillan, Tony Martin, and Ray Gillen. Lande's voice sounds "Nasally" higher pitched, and not even close to the powerful voice Dio had, and his tone sounds off a lot too. And I'm not saying this as an insult to the previous Sabbath singers either, I have regular Black Sabbath albums with all of those singers listed, as well as many soundboard live Sabbath recordings with all of them singing. The only Black Sabbath singer I don't care for is Ozzy Osbourne actually.

Another thing is that I have ZERO respect for musicians or bands that perform these "tribute" type of albums of other artists songs. 90% of the time the bands copying the original musicians work is a group that I've never heard of in the first place, "or don't want to hear" As well as the fact that most of the bands doing the tribute recordings can't write a decent song of their own, so they try to get recognition by using another band who is talented. Even Tony Martin while not having as powerful a voice as Dio, at least wrote his share of respectable songs while he was in Black Sabbath that are worth listening to.

Also I would like to mention that Black Sabbaths former keyboard player Geoff Nichols added greatly to the bands sound when he was in the group. His keyboard playing as well as his background vocals really added a lot to the songs. Especially songs like: Children of the sea, Die young, Heaven and hell, Headless cross, When death calls, Iron man, etc.. Nichols great keyboard sound and background vocals was especially noticable on the soundboard type live recordings like the Boston 1992 Dehumanizer album, 1995 Forbidden Live recordings, and some of the other live soundboard recordings.
For some reason Scott Warrens keyboards are just not noticable on the New York City- Radio City album, and just don't add much.

I forgot to mention Rob Halfords singing with Black Sabbath that I have from the end of the 1992 Dehumanizer tour on the "Ozzy meets the Priest" cd. Even though Rob Halford is not exactly my favorite singer that ever sang with Sabbath, I would take Halford hands down over Jorn Lande any day of the week. Rob Halford actually sounded ok on most of the songs, and had a stronger and more in control of his voice than Lande.

I only got to see Black Sabbath and "Heaven and Hell" two times. The first time was in February 1994 on the Cross Purposes tour at the State theater in Detroit, MI. with the Iommi, Butler, Martin, Rodinelli lineup. The first opening group was Morbid Angel which I missed because there was a bad snowstorm that day, and I live over an hour north of Detroit. The second opening group was Motorhead, which I didn't really care for and wish I would have missed. Black Sabbath sounded really great though, and really loud since it was in a smaller venue.

The last time I got to see the group "Heaven & Hell" was in March 24, 2007 in London, Ontario Canada. at the John Labatte Centre. A much larger arena type place, than the smaller "hall" type place I saw them at in Detroit.
The first opening group was Down, and I absolutely hated them, I thought they really sucked; and I never heard of them before seeing them either.
the second opening group was Megadeth, and they were absolutely great. Even though I've never been a Megadeth fan before and only knew a few of their songs, they sounded fantastic.
And I'm especially glad I got to see Heaven and Hell that night, since that's by far my favorite "Sabbath" line-up. And the only time that I ever saw Ronnie James Dio live.

One thing that I always though would be interesting to hear, would be to hear Dio sing a few of the Tony Martin Black Sabbath songs. especially songs like: Headless Cross, Psychophobia, The Shining, Rusty Angels, Call of the Wild, among a few others. It would have given those songs a heavier edge in the vocals department for sure.
Another thing I would have like to seen "or heard" at some point but knew it would never happen, was to have the Iommi, Butler, Dio, Appice, lineup do one of Dio's solo songs like Holy Diver or something and see how it sounded.

It wouldn't be completely unhead of though since back when Ian Gillan was in Black Sabbath they did Deep Purples- Smoke on the Water at the Reading festival in England.

[dioslefthorn]

those 3 or 4 clips posted for JORN are sum of his worst songs, just take the time to listen to his Out ToEvery Nation or The Duke or even ARK and Masterplan stuff. you'll see what a great singer he is.

[devilmaycare]

I think over the last week or so a few members of Jorn's entourage have joined the board...

[ptr]

I´ll make a compare of all involved singers´s style, because everyone is really different:

- Ronnie is legend himself... Great voice till the end, his stage presence was sometimes a bit posture, but he had a great charisma! He was able to work with crowd in amazing way and he was really true proffesional - listen what he said in that interview for Sonisphere 09 before Bible Black video - that was him! Sad that everyone on music scene don´t behave in that way.... In his style of singing - Ronnie had a very high voice in beginning, later his voice became lower and darker (to be honest, I LOVE that!) but his live style never changed - making a vocal lines different every night. He didn´t made any huge vocal solos, he didn´t had to do that - he was able to stun the audience just with singing the songs...

- Jorn is singer in classic 70s hardrock style. See early Gillan from Denmark 1972 video - it´s Jorn Lande today! He is singing in very powerful style (maybe that´s the reason why his show that I´ve seen was short - 80 mins), fixed on micstand in center of stage and walks with it a bit... He´s not that type of singer that is on every part of stage. And to my taste - he is NOT charismatic singer - he is not even trying to make a connection with crowd, he is making his own job, but I´ve never seen him to make a real show. There is any barrier between crowd and stage... He is great singer with a voice which is mixture of Ronnie and David Coverdale, more of David Coverdale... The power that he is trying to deliver from voice is that "Dio´s" part of his singing. He is singing in barytone - tenor register, but basically with raspy (not clear) voice - that´s that Coverdale in him.

- Glenn - I´m not going to be popular here, but he is the best singer I´ve ever seen live and in fact I´ve seen him to do his own stuff, Purple stuff and few covers too (Nights In White Satin, Whiter Shade Of Pale and even Video Killed The Radio Star) and he sung EVERYTHING in wonderful style. Yes of course, he is showing his technique (brillant by the way) and large range (which is over four octaves till today) and some people think that he is showing it tasteless, but I simply dont agree - that always fit the situation! Never rate his vocal performances from videos on youtube when you were not on that concerete concert, because you dont know the context of that all. About his stage presence - it´s difficult to say, because he is singer and bass player, from clips when he is singing without bass it seems like he dont know what to do with hands. But I dont think that the Tribute show is going to be his "showcase energic gig" - I believe that he will have his mic in micstand and then he is able to be "elegant" singer - as he showed on sad Memorial.

[Perro]

RRH3.

You don´t like Lande´s voice. OK.
Some of us do, and I see no problem in Iommi inviting him to sing Dio´s Sabbath songs. Lande can do justice to those amazing songs.



"Another thing is that I have ZERO respect for musicians or bands that perform these "tribute" type of albums of other artists songs. 90% of the time the bands copying the original musicians work is a group that I've never heard of in the first place, "or don't want to hear" "


Even Black Sabbath did cover versions.
Iron Maiden, Megadeth (wich you like! hurra!), Dream Theater (they do whole shows covering another artist), Metallica, etc.. EVERYBODY did or does cover versions of songs that have benn an influence to them. When u start a band, the first thing you play is a song from another band.

You sound angry, chill out man. If you don´t like Motorhead, it´s ok. If you don´t know or like Down, it´s ok too. You are not suppose to suffer, don´t listen to them and live happily ever after. Man, how old are you??


Yes, i´d also loved to hear Dio singing some of the Tony Martin´s Sabbath songs. It´s a shame it never happened.
Yes, I think that Geoff NIchols was illtreated, and deserves much much more. I was listening to Seventh Star this morning and man, the keyboards and overall atmosphere of the album is amazing. The same for all the records Geoff was involved.

cheer up!

[fishtowner]

I don't think his voice is an exact clone and thats a good thing. Who wants a clone? Not me! But you have to admit he has an amazing voice.

[dioslefthorn]

I don't think his voice is an exact clone and thats a good thing. Who wants a clone? Not me! But you have to admit he has an amazing voice.

evidently good enough for Tony and Geezer and thats good enough for me.

[joan]

Jorn Lande is not Dio but he cannot be denied he does have a good voice. I think he should be given credit for that. I feeel if Iommi and Butler want Jorn Lande they have my vote. If Tony Iommi and Geezer Butler were starting a new band this is the vocalist I would pick to sing Jorn Lande.

[H&H]

evidently good enough for Tony and Geezer and thats good enough for me.

Exactly......

[The Butt]

Another thing is that I have ZERO respect for musicians or bands that perform these "tribute" type of albums of other artists songs. 90% of the time the bands copying the original musicians work is a group that I've never heard of in the first place, "or don't want to hear" As well as the fact that most of the bands doing the tribute recordings can't write a decent song of their own, so they try to get recognition by using another band who is talented. Even Tony Martin while not having as powerful a voice as Dio, at least wrote his share of respectable songs while he was in Black Sabbath that are worth listening to.

Sweeping generalizations for the LOSS.

Sorry, but fail, dude.

[Adam]

Jorn is simply great imo

[rrh3]

Just because Jorn may be good enough for Iommi and Butler doesn't necessarily mean much. Especially if it's just a one-time thing like the tribute concert will be. After all, Black Sabbath had a lot of singers over the years that were not with them very long: Ian Gillan, Ray Gillen, Glenn Hughes, Rob Halford (who was more a last minute fill-in singer more than anything).

If Tony Iommi and Geezer Butler did intend to release another full length (or even mini) album as a tribute to Dio. They would be smarter to release an album with some of their last tour with "Heaven & Hell" with some of the new songs from Devil you know recorded live, with some other songs from the tour added as well.

If they do plan on carrying on Black Sabbath or "Heaven & Hell" in whatever form, Tony Martin would be the first logical choice, since he's sang most eras of the Sabbath songs countless times live. Even if he and Iommi weren't on the best terms when left the last time.

Dio left Black Sabbath several times as well not on the best terms but he ended up rejoining the group more than once.

If they do plan on heading back to the studio to work on new songs in the future and they don't use Tony Martin, I just hope they don't go with Jorn and his weak, watered down, unstable voice. If I wanted to hear a voice like his I could go to any small bar or club with a generic band and listen to any "dime a dozen" nobody of a singer.

[ptr]

Just because Jorn may be good enough for Iommi and Butler doesn't necessarily mean much. Especially if it's just a one-time thing like the tribute concert will be. After all, Black Sabbath had a lot of singers over the years that were not with them very long: Ian Gillan, Ray Gillen, Glenn Hughes, Rob Halford (who was more a last minute fill-in singer more than anything).

If Tony Iommi and Geezer Butler did intend to release another full length (or even mini) album as a tribute to Dio. They would be smarter to release an album with some of their last tour with "Heaven & Hell" with some of the new songs from Devil you know recorded live, with some other songs from the tour added as well.

If they do plan on carrying on Black Sabbath or "Heaven & Hell" in whatever form, Tony Martin would be the first logical choice, since he's sang most eras of the Sabbath songs countless times live. Even if he and Iommi weren't on the best terms when left the last time.

Dio left Black Sabbath several times as well not on the best terms but he ended up rejoining the group more than once.

If they do plan on heading back to the studio to work on new songs in the future and they don't use Tony Martin, I just hope they don't go with Jorn and his weak, watered down, unstable voice. If I wanted to hear a voice like his I could go to any small bar or club with a generic band and listen to any "dime a dozen" nobody of a singer.

You still dont understand what´s the Tribute is going to be about.... Tony, Geezer and Vinny are going to close the Black Sabbath history on this show! It´s hard to say in which way - it´s definately the last time ever when they are going to play Dio tracks live, but I think that there is never ever going to be any reunion with Ozzy Osbourne, so let´s say it simple - history of one of greatest hardrock bands ever is going to be closed with this event.

I dont agree with your opinions - Jorn Lande is far better singer than Tony Martin. Tony clearly have a huge problems to sing songs from his own past, Jorn is definately not "small bar type" of singer - he´s one of most respected vocalists on hardrock scene for now - accept this as fact please!

With saying that it´s not important for YOU what´s good for Tony or others from H&H - you are disrespecting themselfes by that!!! Tony ALWAYS worked in Black Sabbath with outstanding singers - Ronnie, Ian, Ray or Glenn, and he made one singer famous - Tony Martin.... He would never work on final farewell with a singer who HE would not believe that is the best possible singer! To be honest, I´m thinking what could be better type of final tribute to Ronnie, and I really cant find better singers who would be able to sing this type of show, simply because they dont exist! Rob Halford? No, absolutely different type of singer... Bruce Dickinson - no, same problem again.

[rrh3]

I doubt very greatly that this is the last time the band will ever play Dio-era Black Sabbath songs again. When it comes right down to it, it's Tony Iommi's decision if he decides to keep the band going, whether it reverts back to the "Black Sabbath" name or whatever.
Iommi is the one that kept the band going through all the years of line-up changes, so at the end of the day it's his decision what songs are going to be performed live.

And just because they get a new singer in the future (whoever it may turn out to be) doesn't mean that they won't still perform songs from the Dio era (or Ozzy era for that matter). There's just too many great songs from those two eras and there's no way in hell that they will ignore all those great songs when and if Iommi decides to carry on with the band.
Just like when Dio was in Black Sabbath on the various tours: Heaven & Hell, Mob Rules, and then later Dehumanizer. He was singing all of the popular Ozzy era songs, as well as his own Dio era Sabbath songs all during the tours.

The same with all the other Sabbath line-up changes that followed: Ian Gillan, Glenn Hughes, Ray Gillan, Tony Martin, Rob Halford, Each of them sang all the previous Sabbath era of songs in concerts, and that certainly wont change now, when and if Iommi decides to put together or keep together a full- fledged version of Black Sabbath, and do a large scale international tour with the group.

Unless he just does something on a small scale one time off kind of thing, like his Iommi "Fused" With Glenn Hughes. Or some other specific singer he might just stick to those individual songs and tour on a limited basis.

But anything is possible at this point, he could even get back together with Ozzy for all I know. Even though I don't particularily like Ozzys voice, or him and his wife for that matter.
The Ozzy era songs were well written and they sure sounded great as long as it was Dio singing them. And to a lesser degree the other previous Sabbath singers (except for Ozzy).

[Baricco]

It will be so difficult to listen Sabbath without Dio. I'm trying yo be open minded about this, but no. Not even Hughes or Lande convinces me. It's my problem, I know...

But I agree with you guys. This clousure and farewell goodbye from Iommi, Buttler and Appice to Dio needs to be done. The healing continues from there.

I'm getting old or don't know what, but this unexpected loss has been really painful...

[labrekk]

If they do plan on heading back to the studio to work on new songs in the future and they don't use Tony Martin, I just hope they don't go with Jorn and his weak, watered down, unstable voice. If I wanted to hear a voice like his I could go to any small bar or club with a generic band and listen to any "dime a dozen" nobody of a singer.

You can't be serious talking about Jorn Lande like this. This is just insane. Everyone with an ear can testify that Jorn is a very talented singer, one of the best in the business right now. Are you just judging him with some low-quality YouTube videos? Please, do yourself a favor and listen to some of his solo discs (Out To Every Nation, Spirit Black, The Duke...), or some Masterplan albums he sings on (the 1st s/t one being the best). You look like someone who doesn't have the slightest idea about Jorn's great vocal abilities...

[rrh3]

I did finally find time to listen to Jorns live versions of Out to every nation, and straight through the heart.
On Out to every nation Jorns voice reminded me very much of Paul Stanley (Kiss singer), with some Ian Gillan sounding singing at various parts too.

In the Straight through the heart song by Jorn, his singing sounded like Paul Stanley and Ian Gillan's voices were grafted (mixed together 50/50).

That's the MAIN problem I have with Jorns voice, it's too reminiscent of a 1970's hard rock style of singing. Ronnie James Dio's voice I still think is way more heavy, has more power behind it (even on some of the less heavy more melodic songs he's done) than ANY other singer I've ever heard in any group.
Anyone that doesn't believe me, then listen to the soundboard Black Sabbath Cd I was mentioning earlier from the 1992 Dehumanizer tour in Boston. I have two versions from that 1992 Boston concert I purchased off Ebay: 1. "The dead the bad and the ugly" and 2. "Hexen Sabbath".
#1. has more songs on it, but the Hexen Sabbath Cd of the concert has much better sound quality.
I challenge anyone to listen to that Cd from the 1992 Dehumanizer tour with Dio singing live with Black Sabbath and then tell me that Jorn has even half the voice that Dio has.

Another thing is that I'm more inclined to listen to "heavier" more metal types of music as opposed to hard rock sounding groups; since I like listening to bands like the original Venom line-up, Celtic Frost, etc..

Hard rock groups that I would be more likely to listen to are groups like Pearl Jam, Cheap Trick, Soundgarden, etc..

One album that I had years ago and definitely want to find again is the one live Rainbow/ with Dio singing in the group; I believe it was live in Germany. It had some great songs on it.

If I have time I'll try to listen to some more of Jorn's songs and see if there's any that I can find that I like that don't sound like a strange combination of other singers like the songs I've heard of his so far.

[Riffs]

In the Straight through the heart song by Jorn, his singing sounded like Paul Stanley and Ian Gillan's voices were grafted (mixed together 50/50).

I'm listening to the live version he did for prog power and it doesn't sound anything like Paul Stanley. I can hear the shades of Ian Gillan but that guy actually has his own voice.

That's the MAIN problem I have with Jorns voice, it's too reminiscent of a 1970's hard rock style of singing.

Weird. Most of the great singers actually come from that period (or earlier) because they worked with what they had back then. The voice was an identity. Dio, Halford, Dickinson, Plant, Bon Scott, etc...

Some people liked them, some people hated them but they were unmistakable.

Jorn Lande is more from the power metal school, where singers tend to fit into the mold of Michael Kiske but is one of the rare individuals from that period whom I feel has some distinct identity and some legit grit.

Lande seems to have way above average control for a screamer with such range, modulates extremely well and does put some feeling in his performances. As a bonus, this guy is also extremely consistent and has very few bad nights.

Ronnie James Dio's voice I still think is way more heavy, has more power behind it (even on some of the less heavy more melodic songs he's done) than ANY other singer I've ever heard in any group.

Well, put your assessment in perspective. Isn't that the reason so many people have been touched by his passing? Isn't this the reason there have been so many artists saying good words about him and isn't this the reason for this tribute?

I wouldn't go as far you and say he was the best but he certainly was one of the bests and part of that is being unique. So it's kind of non-sensical to pay tribute to a guy because he was unique and then complain that the singers paying tribute aren't sounding like him, no?

Jorn Lande can sing ANY Dio song better than 99.9999999999% of all singers on this planet. He's one of these rare individuals. He's a legitimate admirer of Dio and always was. Plus like I sad, he's extremely professional and doesn't have many bad nights. And he's right in his prime too.

If you (or anyone else) is looking for a new guy to BE Dio, good luck. If you're looking for a singer to pay tribute to Ronnie for a whole set, then Jorn Lande is a top candidate in the world, undeniably. Another one (as mentioned in a few threads) is Nils Patrik Johansson, who might be even better than Lande (certainly more versatile IMO)

Another thing is that I'm more inclined to listen to "heavier" more metal types of music as opposed to hard rock sounding groups; since I like listening to bands like the original Venom line-up, Celtic Frost, etc..

Hard rock groups that I would be more likely to listen to are groups like Pearl Jam, Cheap Trick, Soundgarden, etc..

Hey, I dig all that stuff too. The thing is, none of this relates very much to Dio's style of singing. Hearing Chronos do a rendition of Heaven and Hell would be about as pleasant as driving a nail through my ballsack.

[Perro]

Hearing Chronos do a rendition of Heaven and Hell would be about as pleasant as driving a nail through my ballsack.

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[The Butt]

Hearing Chronos do a rendition of Heaven and Hell would be about as pleasant as driving a nail through my ballsack.

I disagree.

[labrekk]

hey, i dig all that stuff too. The thing is, none of this relates very much to dio's style of singing. Hearing chronos do a rendition of heaven and hell would be about as pleasant as driving a nail through my ballsack.

rotflmao!!!!!