ozzy: New stuff is killer

[Charger]

^This

Can't really argue with that, he said it, and now he's shown that the only important part of that statement is his name and perhaps Tony and Geezers. Maybe he'll overdub the old reunion video where he said it for future releases, and re-record Clufetos over Bill Ward.

Well that's always been Ozzy's statement regarding Black Sabbath....for him it's only Black Sabbath when Ozzy Osbourne is on it, it's the only thing he has ever cared about....who else in the band doesn't matter...he can say what ever he wants but that is the proven truth...it started already at the 1997 Ozzfest reunion tour.

[scorpio 2000]

Ozzy also said that he didnt want sabbath to be in the rock in roll hall of fame and they got in any way. You cant take everything Ozzy says seriously.

[CrystalWorld]

I don't take anything he says seriously ^ Obviously you cannot. Great vocals though, at times.

[Jordan]

Not in my book. Bill is second (behind Tony) in what I consider the order of influence on the original Sabbath sound.

My order:
1. Tony (for the riffs)
2. Bill (for the swing and the eclecticism)
3. Ozzy (for the haunting vocals and the melody)
4. Geezer (for the lyrics and cool bass)

That said - none are dispensible in my book.

If anything it's:

1. Tony
2. Geezer















3. Ozzy, Bill

[hipster doofus]

Well that's always been Ozzy's statement regarding Black Sabbath....for him it's only Black Sabbath when Ozzy Osbourne is on it, it's the only thing he has ever cared about....who else in the band doesn't matter...he can say what ever he wants but that is the proven truth...it started already at the 1997 Ozzfest reunion tour.

Right. It's almost like the time Geezer said he'd never play with Tony again, when Tony said he'd never play with Ozzy again, and when Ronnie said he'd never play with Black Sabbath again. And the time they all publicly slagged each other. Then the check shows up, all their pride is swallowed and they're old buddies again.

Blah, blah, blah...boohoo...

[Monster Boy]

Funny this is a headline. What does anybody expect anybody involved with the album to say? New Stuff is Crap? Now that would be a headline!

[Soul Sucker]

Funny this is a headline. What does anybody expect anybody involved with the album to say? New Stuff is Crap? Now that would be a headline!

Ozzy on the new album:

"Working on this thing [indecipherable] ... The other guys, Tony, he says to me: "no auto-tune, no outside songwriters" - how the fuck are we gonna finish this thing before next year? Sharon's writing lyrics with me cos Geezer moans whenever I ask him ... [indecipherable] suggested we ditch Rick Rubin and use Kevin [indecipherable] again cos Rick doesn't write anything. I dunno why Tony wants to work with him. Kevin [indecipherable]... he can play the drums to, you know. He played on my last album. Means we wouldn't have to pay Tommy [indecipherable]. The new Sabbath album, best solo album I've done since Black Rain."

[KiloDeltaCharlie]

^ C'mon, what's the source? That doesn't come across as authentic to me.

[Soul Sucker]

That doesn't come across as authentic to me.

I would hope not.

[WallOfSleep]

Ozzy on the new album:

So where did you get that quote?

[Pink Led Rush]

So where did you get that quote?

[Jordan]

I guess for some it is hard to pick up on sarcasm on the internet lol.

[Wicked Cricket]

What's very incouraging is how Rick Rubin approached them in regards to making this album, write it, play it, the way you use to do things 40 yrs ago... that's why this album will be great, and I believe it when I hear people in and around the band saying it's killer. Iommi got into a set formula for years writing songs on his own, then working them out, the Sabbath sound of the original band was lost for a long time. Yea it was good stuff, but not epiclly great, or interesting in the way their original music took you on a journey, never knowing where it was going to wind it's way next. That is what they are doing now, jamming... working out things they like, throwing out the things they don't... it's a longer process, but the rewards are greater. Where TDYK sounded forumalted and tired, they threw thta together too quickly and didn't work out or in things that could have made it so much better, this process they are doing now, like back in 1970, I believe is going to produce the record they want to leave their glorious legacy to. I know there's doubters, lots of negativity in this fan site, for reasons I''m not sure, critism is fine, but it seems to get out of hand here way too often. Anyway, I think we're all in for a real treat, Bill Ward be damned... I said this before, no amount of $ could keep me from playing on one last glorious album, making it the way the use to. Remember The Beatles last recorded album was Abbey Road, arguably their best overall album, their last one... because they knew deep in their hearts it probably would be, don't bet against Sabbath not feeling and doing the same thing... esp. Tony with his battle, and they all know time is not on their side... that's why I don't sympathize with Bill, nothing could get in the way of this project except his own demons... you can't put a price on it, it's absolutly priceless.

[-E5150 StarWanderer-]

What's very incouraging is how Rick Rubin approached them in regards to making this album, write it, play it, the way you use to do things 40 yrs ago... that's why this album will be great, and I believe it when I hear people in and around the band saying it's killer. Iommi got into a set formula for years writing songs on his own, then working them out, the Sabbath sound of the original band was lost for a long time. Yea it was good stuff, but not epiclly great, or interesting in the way their original music took you on a journey, never knowing where it was going to wind it's way next. That is what they are doing now, jamming... working out things they like, throwing out the things they don't... it's a longer process, but the rewards are greater. Where TDYK sounded forumalted and tired, they threw thta together too quickly and didn't work out or in things that could have made it so much better, this process they are doing now, like back in 1970, I believe is going to produce the record they want to leave their glorious legacy to. I know there's doubters, lots of negativity in this fan site, for reasons I''m not sure, critism is fine, but it seems to get out of hand here way too often. Anyway, I think we're all in for a real treat, Bill Ward be damned... I said this before, no amount of $ could keep me from playing on one last glorious album, making it the way the use to. Remember The Beatles last recorded album was Abbey Road, arguably their best overall album, their last one... because they knew deep in their hearts it probably would be, don't bet against Sabbath not feeling and doing the same thing... esp. Tony with his battle, and they all know time is not on their side... that's why I don't sympathize with Bill, nothing could get in the way of this project except his own demons... you can't put a price on it, it's absolutly priceless.

In all honesty...do you think anyone working with them/near them would go out and say "yeah, the album will totally blow" in public?

I admire your positism, but it might not be a good idea to force yourself to write in a specific style. Add the fact I only like a handful of Rubin produced albums (quality- and sound-wise) and the fact I think every Ozzy album since No More Tears (and every album between it and Diary) suck balls, it's only natural I'm having my doubts

They should have gotten Martin Birch out of retirement.

[Billy Underdog]

Bill Ward be damned... I said this before, no amount of $ could keep me from playing on one last glorious album, making it the way the use to. Remember The Beatles last recorded album was Abbey Road, arguably their best overall album, their last one... because they knew deep in their hearts it probably would be, don't bet against Sabbath not feeling and doing the same thing... esp. Tony with his battle, and they all know time is not on their side... that's why I don't sympathize with Bill, nothing could get in the way of this project except his own demons... you can't put a price on it, it's absolutly priceless.

Ehhh... Seem to remember someone saying something about enough of Bill Ward in another thread just yesterday...

Do we really need another Bill Ward thread??!!! I love Bill, but his act has really gotten old and tiring, he's in, he's out.. he's out, he's in, he was asked, then declined, then said he wasn't wanted, he started the tour, could/shouldn't/didn't finish... should we hire a stand in..? Is he up to it physically, mentally??? Arghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Enough of Bill Ward

Remember?

[Soul Sucker]

So where did you get that quote?

From Ozzy.

[Thelemech]

From Ozzy.

...........

[Charger]

From Ozzy.

I guess you should have put it like this:

Working on this thing [indecipherable] ... The other guys, Tony, he says to me: "no auto-tune, no outside songwriters" - how the fuck are we gonna finish this thing before next year? Sharon's writing lyrics with me cos Geezer moans whenever I ask him ... [indecipherable] suggested we ditch Rick Rubin and use Kevin [indecipherable] again cos Rick doesn't write anything. I dunno why Tony wants to work with him. Kevin [indecipherable]... he can play the drums to, you know. He played on my last album. Means we wouldn't have to pay Tommy [indecipherable]. The new Sabbath album, best solo album I've done since Black Rain."

Maybe it would have cleared some things up....

[Wicked Cricket]

I don't think they are "forcing" themselves to write that way, they are working out songs by jamming ideas, like they use to, in the old days, I bet it feels real good to them and familar .. but I think in Ozzy's solo case and Iommi's other Sabbath incarnations, they used proven tired old formulas... the term formulated rock comes to mind, it's good but not exciting and it's certainly nothing new or very creative. I can understand people having reservations, but I think we're in for a real treat.

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Ehhh... Seem to remember someone saying something about enough of Bill Ward in another thread just yesterday...



Remember?

That be me! Last word, Bill's a party pooper in my book

[Billy Underdog]

Last word, Bill's a party pooper in my book

You'll never stop talking about Bill...

[Wicked Cricket]

You'll never stop talking about Bill...

Bill..? Bill who?

[Pink Led Rush]

Bill..? Bill who?

Bill Cosby????

[LexMoon]

I would have to concur with this statement. Life is wayyy to short.

What's very incouraging is how Rick Rubin approached them in regards to making this album, write it, play it, the way you use to do things 40 yrs ago... that's why this album will be great, and I believe it when I hear people in and around the band saying it's killer. Iommi got into a set formula for years writing songs on his own, then working them out, the Sabbath sound of the original band was lost for a long time. Yea it was good stuff, but not epiclly great, or interesting in the way their original music took you on a journey, never knowing where it was going to wind it's way next. That is what they are doing now, jamming... working out things they like, throwing out the things they don't... it's a longer process, but the rewards are greater. Where TDYK sounded forumalted and tired, they threw thta together too quickly and didn't work out or in things that could have made it so much better, this process they are doing now, like back in 1970, I believe is going to produce the record they want to leave their glorious legacy to. I know there's doubters, lots of negativity in this fan site, for reasons I''m not sure, critism is fine, but it seems to get out of hand here way too often. Anyway, I think we're all in for a real treat, Bill Ward be damned... I said this before, no amount of $ could keep me from playing on one last glorious album, making it the way the use to. Remember The Beatles last recorded album was Abbey Road, arguably their best overall album, their last one... because they knew deep in their hearts it probably would be, don't bet against Sabbath not feeling and doing the same thing... esp. Tony with his battle, and they all know time is not on their side... that's why I don't sympathize with Bill, nothing could get in the way of this project except his own demons... you can't put a price on it, it's absolutly priceless.

[rar]

the drummer comments are boring and tired, if 1 member is out, be it the drummer, the least of any loss in a band, esp. BS.

Clearly you don't understand much about music. The drummer is just as important as the guitar player, or any other band member for that matter.

EDIT: That being said, I've stopped siding with Bill on this one. With Tony battling cancer, there isn't exactly a ton of time on their hands...this shouldn't be about money, it's about recording at least one more album, the way they used to do things. I'm sure Bill wasn't exactly treated equally, but at this point it just shouldn't be about that anymore.

[Wicked Cricket]

Clearly you don't understand much about music. The drummer is just as important as the guitar player, or any other band member for that matter.

EDIT: That being said, I've stopped siding with Bill on this one. With Tony battling cancer, there isn't exactly a ton of time on their hands...this shouldn't be about money, it's about recording at least one more album, the way they used to do things. I'm sure Bill wasn't exactly treated equally, but at this point it just shouldn't be about that anymore.

Really, because I don't consider the drummer as important as the singer or guitarist in a bands identity I "clearly don't understand much about music?" Hahaha, that's funny... your opinion nothing more....you don't know how Bill was treated anymore than I do or anyone else... it's a private matter, life goes on with you or without you... lead, follow or get out of the way...

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If anything, Tony's the one who should most realize that time is short and that people should get along. Something he has not succeeded in doing throughout Sabbath history.

Again you ASSUME Bill was not treated failry or mistreated or whatever, it's an assumption, as we all don't know anything about why he's out... it's a private matter between the band members... not one of them has given a specific on the subject...frankly, I don't care to get involved in private matters, I'm amused how so many here get so emotionally involved in these personal private matters, it's like the law suite all over again... And we all know how that came out... still friends, in fact they are working on a new album in case some of you hadn't heard.. and we'll never know any specifics on the settlement...

[Billy Underdog]

Really, because I don't consider the drummer as important as the singer or guitarist in a bands identity I "clearly don't understand much about music?" Hahaha, that's funny...

If you don't consider a drummer (or a bassist, or anyone else for that matter) as important as a singer or a guitarist you clearly don't understand much about music... You might think you do, but you obviously don't, and i feel sorry for you.

Ofcourse, if you feel like you get something out of listening to just the "front" of the sound, that's just fine, but clearly you're missing out on alot of good musical experiences...

[scorpio 2000]

Thats very funny. I thought Sabbath was a riff based band. I seem to remember Tony saying he had writers block and couldnt come up with anything after vol 4 and Black Sabbath almost broke up. It starts with the guitar. Without the riff, they are out of business.

[Charger]

Thats very funny. I thought Sabbath was a riff based band. I seem to remember Tony saying he had writers block and couldnt come up with anything after vol 4 and Black Sabbath almost broke up. It starts with the guitar. Without the riff, they are out of business.

That is true. I think that's the way most heavy metal music gets written. Riff first...that surely has been the way Sabbath has always done it as far as I know.

For me the riff is the most important thing, then come the lyrics/vocal melodies and delivery, then the bass and then drums and keyboards. Bass and Drums are less important to me, but only slightly, since as Billy said they are the solid background of any music and especially Sabbath why have always been lucky enough to get have really good bass players and drummers...and most of all drummers and bass players who work incredibly well together....well untill now anyways.

[-E5150 StarWanderer-]

That is true. I think that's the way most heavy metal music gets written. Riff first...that surely has been the way Sabbath has always done it as far as I know.

For me the riff is the most important thing, then come the lyrics/vocal melodies and delivery, then the bass and then drums and keyboards. Bass and Drums are less important to me, but only slightly, since as Billy said they are the solid background of any music and especially Sabbath why have always been lucky enough to get have really good bass players and drummers...and most of all drummers and bass players who work incredibly well together....well untill now anyways.

True from the perspective of song writing, but if your rhytm section is very average or below that, the band will sounds shit no matter how good the guitarist and the vocalist are. Bass and drums are the foundation of music, especially in rock music.

[Wicked Cricket]

If you don't consider a drummer (or a bassist, or anyone else for that matter) as important as a singer or a guitarist you clearly don't understand much about music... You might think you do, but you obviously don't, and i feel sorry for you.

Ofcourse, if you feel like you get something out of listening to just the "front" of the sound, that's just fine, but clearly you're missing out on alot of good musical experiences...

I don't listen to just the "front" of the music...LOL! That's funny, never thought of it that way, just saying a drummer and bass player don't make or break a band for me.. and if one has to go in BS..it's the drummer hands down, but we don't have to make that decision... the drummer already did.

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All an assumption, all of it. History, mathematical equations, no, no, just an assumption. It's all an opinion. What a relief to those great burdens of the mind. It was all an assumption all along. Whew ...

Amusing how emotional people get, but you have never stopped talking about it. Oh but that's my assumption of what you have been dong.

Never stopped talking about what, Bill Ward? I could care less, I'm responding to the broken hearted fans who keep bringing it up, saying how mistreated Bill has been by the other 3 and of course Sharon, who's responsible for everything from Global warming to their Cheerios being soggy... There's like 15 different ytthreads on Bill Ward and how badly he was handled..blah blah blah, none of them strted by me my friend... And the Sharon haters and it goes on and on and on... ZZZZzzzzz Can't wait for the new album, 3 of the orig. 4 is better then most get at this stage of the game... it your not interested, don't listen... but I'm betting every whiner about Bill and Sharon and Ozzy will be sleeping overnight waiting for the record stores to open, or the on-line purchasing... and of course their oh so important opinions on the results... God, I can hardly wait!

[Wicked Cricket]

Tsk tsk, all just your opinion I'm afraid.

I know, and you thought it was all about you! So sorry ...