Why the hate against "Breakout"?

**Billy Underdog** · 06-16-2012, 04:34 AM

I think it's a fucking great tune, one of the best from NSD!. Cool riff, cool with the horns following the riff, great drum-beat, a cool time-change in the riff, and a fucking awsome sax-solo. What's not to like?
I'm actually a bit glad that Ozzy refused to sing on it.
It fits well as an intro to Swinging The Chain too.
I can understand some might find it a bit repetitive, but hey, it's only two and a half minutes long...

**DoomSabbath** · 06-16-2012, 05:10 AM

for me, it is the weakest song on the album, but i still can't understand the hate. I like jazzy songs like that. Maybe people can't stand it, because it is too jazzy?

**Charger** · 06-16-2012, 08:57 AM

For me this one really epitomises everything that's wrong with Never Say Die...it just does not sound like Black Sabbath at all. And the saxophone...worst idea ever.

Horrible track on a horrible album...hate it I do...indeed.

**Billy Underdog** · 06-16-2012, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Charger

it just does not sound like Black Sabbath at all.

But No Stranger to Love, The Illusion of Power or Get a Grip do? Hmm...

But ofcourse, you're allowed to hate it, i just can't understand why.
Like most of you can't understand why i hate Dio, Huges and T. Martin-Sabbath, i guess...

**Charger** · 06-16-2012, 09:19 AM

Well granted No Strange To Love is bit out there as well...very 80s sounding...actually the only really 80s sounding track Tony's ever done...don't like it either.

But Illusion Of Power has a strong riff as does Get A Grip...so both of them have the good old Sabbath signature right there.

But if you would put on any of the first 3 Sabbath albums and play them to someone who doesn't know Sabbath and then after that put on Breakdown there is no way in hell they would ever imagine it's from the same band...that's all I'm saying.

**Monster Boy** · 06-16-2012, 09:50 AM

'cause it sucks

**Billy Underdog** · 06-16-2012, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Charger

But if you would put on any of the first 3 Sabbath albums and play them to someone who doesn't know Sabbath and then after that put on Breakdown there is no way in hell they would ever imagine it's from the same band...that's all I'm saying.

Well, if you play Love Me Do and Please Please Me to someone who've never heard Beatles, then played them I Am The Walrus, Tomorrow Never Knows or Within You Without You (just to name a few), they would probably not belive it's the same band either. Everybody evolves.

(Not trying to argue here, though it might seem like it.)

I'm just trying to defend what i think is a really cool song

**Charger** · 06-16-2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Billy Underdog

Well, if you play Love Me Do and Please Please Me to someone who've never heard Beatles, then played them I Am The Walrus, Tomorrow Never Knows or Within You Without You (just to name a few), they would probably not belive it's the same band either. Everybody evolves.

(Not trying to argue here, though it might seem like it.)

I'm just trying to defend what i think is a really cool song

No problem...if you llike the song that's cool...

To me Sabbath didn't really evolve..more like regressed really...from an awesome band to an almost bad band...luckily they realised it themselves too.

**Billy Underdog** · 06-16-2012, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Charger

No problem...if you llike the song that's cool...

To me Sabbath didn't really evolve..more like regressed really...from an awesome band to an almost bad band...luckily they realised it themselves too.

True. From 1979 it really went downhill, getting worse and worse, until they in the mid 90's realised it and brought Ozzy back

**Charger** · 06-16-2012, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Billy Underdog

True. From 1979 it really went downhill, getting worse and worse, until they in the mid 90's realised it and brought Ozzy back

Hahahahah! Now that's just silly talk right there!

**Billy Underdog** · 06-16-2012, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Charger

Hahahahah! Now that's just silly talk right there!

Well, i was only quoting you...

**svullo** · 06-16-2012, 12:50 PM

I Hate saxophones

it's only okay in 70's Porn Movies ...

**LouiST** · 06-16-2012, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by svullo

I Hate saxophones

it's only okay in 70's Porn Movies ...

No shit?!
But if it really is used in a porn movie I'll surely watch it

**Billy Underdog** · 06-16-2012, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by svullo

it's only okay in 70's Porn Movies ...

If you think porn movie-music is better than Breakout, you've got a serious problem, man...

Originally Posted by svullo

I Hate saxophones

What about Pink Floyd? Morphine? There's alot of great music made with sax. Even Gwar used Sax at a point early on.

---------- Post added at 12:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:01 PM ----------

Originally Posted by LouiST

No shit?!
But if it really is used in a porn movie I'll surely watch it

Just watch any porn-movie from the 70's and 80's...

**-E5150 StarWanderer-** · 06-16-2012, 01:52 PM

People don't like saxophone? Does...not...compute...

**Never Satisfied** · 06-16-2012, 01:53 PM

Hey it's not the best thing they have done I hated it when I was younger but I kinda like it now. It beats Illusion Of Power. Never Say Die is a fantastic album. I can see why people who love Journey, Joe Lynn Turner and Manowar would hate it.

**Billy Underdog** · 06-16-2012, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Never Satisfied

I can see why people who love Journey, Joe Lynn Turner and Manowar would hate it.

**Charger** · 06-16-2012, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by -E5150 StarWanderer-

People don't like saxophone? Does...not...compute...

Well I feel like I have to elaborate here...I actually do like the saxophone as an instrument...lots of great Jazz music that features the sax..even some rockier stuff...

But in Black Sabbath...no...just no.

**scorpio 2000** · 06-16-2012, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Charger

Well I feel like I have to elaborate here...I actually do like the saxophone as an instrument...lots of great Jazz music that features the sax..even some rockier stuff...

But in Black Sabbath...no...just no.

Charger is right. I love saxophone and i love jazz but that track seemed so out of place on that album it sounded weird. You could tell they didnt care.

**Icy Sun** · 06-16-2012, 04:11 PM

I agree with Billy Underdog. Great track on its own, and also makes a good intro to Swinging the Chain. I think the sax riff is great, as is the solo.

**LouiST** · 06-17-2012, 04:35 AM

Originally Posted by Billy Underdog

Just watch any porn-movie from the 70's and 80's...

Starting a porn movie with Breakout, then ending with Dirty Women... sounds good

**Andreaus** · 06-17-2012, 05:24 PM

I play in a Sabbath tribute band and we currently use Breakout as part of our intro, we have it cross faded into Supertzar which fades just before we come in. It's fun looking at people's faces. Half of them know its Sabbath the other half are totally confused!

**Billy Underdog** · 06-18-2012, 03:01 AM

^^^ Cool. I hail everyone who acknowledge this great tune.

**Enrico** · 06-18-2012, 11:40 AM

I love breakout and i love saxophone, it' s always been part of r&r. That' s why i think the seventies albums were better than the later ones, they were unpredictable and experimental, I hope the new one will retain some of that spirit.

**KazolOrajia** · 06-18-2012, 12:59 PM

I love all of the songs on Never Say Die! People complain because it 'doesn't sound like Black Sabbath' but part of what I like about the album is the experimentation. They tried new things instead of staying in their comfort zone. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath was experimental too. I don't think an artist should be held back by what they are percieved to be by their fans. If Black Sabbath wanted to do an instrumental prog rock album, I'd be all for it, as long as they're doing what they want to. Artists always should explore new things in my opinion.

**Monster Boy** · 06-18-2012, 01:21 PM

Every one of Sabbath's albums were experimental, it's just that certain experiments were successful and others were on TE and NSD!

**Paulie 88** · 06-18-2012, 04:17 PM

FAVE song on the album.

All the best,
PAULIE

**Axeman77** · 06-20-2012, 07:55 AM

one of my least favourite sabbath songs ...

**mythology** · 06-24-2012, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by KazolOrajia

I love all of the songs on Never Say Die! People complain because it 'doesn't sound like Black Sabbath' but part of what I like about the album is the experimentation. They tried new things instead of staying in their comfort zone. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath was experimental too. I don't think an artist should be held back by what they are percieved to be by their fans. If Black Sabbath wanted to do an instrumental prog rock album, I'd be all for it, as long as they're doing what they want to. Artists always should explore new things in my opinion.

Exactly. Could not agree more.

I've said it before - MUSIC fans like NSD. Narrow-minded Metal fans don't. There will be a few exceptions to this rule, but generally it's true.

**LouiST** · 06-24-2012, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by mythology

Exactly. Could not agree more.

I've said it before - MUSIC fans like NSD. Narrow-minded Metal fans don't. There will be a few exceptions to this rule, but generally it's true.

It seems that I happen to be both music and narrow-minded metal fan o_O

**Charger** · 06-24-2012, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by mythology

I've said it before - MUSIC fans like NSD. Narrow-minded Metal fans don't. There will be a few exceptions to this rule, but generally it's true.

Did I miss something or since when hasn't Metal been music?

**-E5150 StarWanderer-** · 06-24-2012, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Monster Boy

Every one of Sabbath's albums were experimental, it's just that certain experiments were successful and others were on TE and NSD!

^This. Just how I perceive this particular matter.

**turch118** · 06-24-2012, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Monster Boy

Every one of Sabbath's albums were experimental, it's just that certain experiments were successful and others were on TE and NSD!

I don't see anyone freaking out because Black COUNTRY BUMPKIN Sabbath used harmonica in The Wizard. With you all the way Billy.

**zxzxzx** · 07-06-2012, 04:23 AM

I dont know about this.

**sterling#sound** · 07-06-2012, 10:55 AM

Nice instrumental. Not really a Sabbath song but it has a nice heavy mood. I'm used to it like FX on Vol4

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