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Ray Rules
10-25-2006, 10:24 AM
So, seens that Heaven and Hell band with Dio, Iommi, Ward and Butler is really true. They will tour to promote the Dio Years black box. So, we can all assume that there will be a Black Box for Post Dio material and Tony Martin. So... do you guys think it's possible to have the "Cross Purposes" band promoting it? With Iommi, Butler, Ward and Martin ( assuming that ward and butler stilll be on the moviment.. if they don't I can hardley expect for Murray and Rondilli... but having Glenn Hughes playing bass and singing for his material and backing for others material would be great, tho ).

Ray Rules
10-25-2006, 10:24 AM
So, seens that Heaven and Hell band with Dio, Iommi, Ward and Butler is really true. They will tour to promote the Dio Years black box. So, we can all assume that there will be a Black Box for Post Dio material and Tony Martin. So... do you guys think it's possible to have the "Cross Purposes" band promoting it? With Iommi, Butler, Ward and Martin ( assuming that ward and butler stilll be on the moviment.. if they don't I can hardley expect for Murray and Rondilli... but having Glenn Hughes playing bass and singing for his material and backing for others material would be great, tho ).

Psycho Man
10-25-2006, 12:16 PM
Thats not a safe assumption al all.

Psycho Man
10-25-2006, 12:16 PM
Thats not a safe assumption al all.

Joe Siegler
10-25-2006, 02:09 PM
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So, seens that Heaven and Hell band with Dio, Iommi, Ward and Butler is really true. They will tour to promote the Dio Years black box. So, we can all assume that there will be a Black Box for Post Dio material and Tony Martin. So... do you guys think it's possible to have the "Cross Purposes" band promoting it? With Iommi, Butler, Ward and Martin ( assuming that ward and butler stilll be on the moviment.. if they don't I can hardley expect for Murray and Rondilli... but having Glenn Hughes playing bass and singing for his material and backing for others material would be great, tho ).

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Someone is getting WAY ahead of themselves there. Don't hurt yourself.

Seriously, I don't think this is even a thought in anyone's mind at this point.

A "Black Box III" has been talked about since the first one came out, and I've been told a couple of times it will happen, but I wouldn't look for it for QUITE awhile.

Joe Siegler
10-25-2006, 02:09 PM
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So, seens that Heaven and Hell band with Dio, Iommi, Ward and Butler is really true. They will tour to promote the Dio Years black box. So, we can all assume that there will be a Black Box for Post Dio material and Tony Martin. So... do you guys think it's possible to have the "Cross Purposes" band promoting it? With Iommi, Butler, Ward and Martin ( assuming that ward and butler stilll be on the moviment.. if they don't I can hardley expect for Murray and Rondilli... but having Glenn Hughes playing bass and singing for his material and backing for others material would be great, tho ).

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Someone is getting WAY ahead of themselves there. Don't hurt yourself.

Seriously, I don't think this is even a thought in anyone's mind at this point.

A "Black Box III" has been talked about since the first one came out, and I've been told a couple of times it will happen, but I wouldn't look for it for QUITE awhile.

MRM45
10-25-2006, 02:38 PM
Definitely way ahead of yourself, BUT, I'm right there with you...

I'm going to take the time to really enjoy the Dio thing, before moving onto the "Born Star Eternal" tour featuring a trio of our favorite vocalists... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

MRM45
10-25-2006, 02:38 PM
Definitely way ahead of yourself, BUT, I'm right there with you...

I'm going to take the time to really enjoy the Dio thing, before moving onto the "Born Star Eternal" tour featuring a trio of our favorite vocalists... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Ray Rules
10-25-2006, 02:55 PM
Yeah, I know guys!!.. I'm just dreaming.. its just that... but it would be awesome!

Ray Rules
10-25-2006, 02:55 PM
Yeah, I know guys!!.. I'm just dreaming.. its just that... but it would be awesome!

Niklas
10-25-2006, 04:16 PM
Of course it would be bro /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Niklas
10-25-2006, 04:16 PM
Of course it would be bro /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

rar
10-25-2006, 05:03 PM
I could honestly see why they wouldnt do this...and its NOT because I don't like TM era, its because Ozzy and Dio era are sure moneymakers, whereas TM is not quite as known. I could only see them doing something with Gillan, but that's obviously very unlikely to happen.

Of course, why WOULD the do this? Obviously so that one could go out and buy a remastered version of all of Sabbath's history (possibly renew the interest in Black Sabbath as well, and maybe give the Post-Dio eras a second shot at being recognized)

I was just stating one possible reason why it WOULDNT happen. But I can see them doing it...just not anytime soon, lol.

rar
10-25-2006, 05:03 PM
I could honestly see why they wouldnt do this...and its NOT because I don't like TM era, its because Ozzy and Dio era are sure moneymakers, whereas TM is not quite as known. I could only see them doing something with Gillan, but that's obviously very unlikely to happen.

Of course, why WOULD the do this? Obviously so that one could go out and buy a remastered version of all of Sabbath's history (possibly renew the interest in Black Sabbath as well, and maybe give the Post-Dio eras a second shot at being recognized)

I was just stating one possible reason why it WOULDNT happen. But I can see them doing it...just not anytime soon, lol.

Eternal Idol
10-25-2006, 05:17 PM
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Yeah, I know guys!!.. I'm just dreaming.. its just that... but it would be awesome!

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Dont be afraid to speak your mind dude . Like i said before time is a healer and Iommi and Martin did enjoy working with each other at one time as well as Ozzy ,Dio also enjoyed working with Iommi never say die and never let anyone tell you what you believe is wrong !

Eternal Idol
10-25-2006, 06:07 PM
Personally i would love to see a reunion with Murray and Rondinelli !

Relic
10-25-2006, 07:22 PM
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Of course, why WOULD the do this? Obviously so that one could go out and buy a remastered version of all of Sabbath's history (possibly renew the interest in Black Sabbath as well, and maybe give the Post-Dio eras a second shot at being recognized)

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One reason they might, or at least should, re-release the Martin era albums as a box set (or separately), is that some of them are out of print and have been so for a long time.

rar
10-25-2006, 09:12 PM
that's true too

Kgb
10-25-2006, 09:49 PM
It would be great if Iommi would do any sort of collaboration with Tony martin in the near fututre.Coz the Martin Years too are certainly Classics.
Though we might not see Sabbath touring with Martin but we can certainly expect the Black Box III:The Martin Years.

Also I would like to hear comments of Tony Martin on this whole Issue about the Dio Reunion as H&H !!!

Ray Rules
10-25-2006, 11:41 PM
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I could honestly see why they wouldnt do this...and its NOT because I don't like TM era, its because Ozzy and Dio era are sure moneymakers, whereas TM is not quite as known. I could only see them doing something with Gillan, but that's obviously very unlikely to happen.

Of course, why WOULD the do this? Obviously so that one could go out and buy a remastered version of all of Sabbath's history (possibly renew the interest in Black Sabbath as well, and maybe give the Post-Dio eras a second shot at being recognized)

I was just stating one possible reason why it WOULDNT happen. But I can see them doing it...just not anytime soon, lol.

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Well, don't get me wrong, but in Europe, Black Sabbath with Tony Martin probably more famous than with Gillan or Glenn, and even with Dio... just see in Russia, two shows in a day during a week!

Sir Kenneth
10-26-2006, 10:51 AM
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Well, don't get me wrong, but in Europe, Black Sabbath with Tony Martin probably more famous than with Gillan or Glenn, and even with Dio... just see in Russia, two shows in a day during a week!

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You can't really use the reception of Martin in Russia as a basis for his general popularity in Europe. A lot of 80's hard rock artists who couldn't sell out my local community house, are still playing somewhat big gigs in Russia and the former east block.

Drifter7
10-26-2006, 11:04 AM
Come on guys. We know you like Martin but hey.... Who knows Tony Martin exept Sabbath fans? Dio and Ozzy are legends of Hard Rock and Heavy Metal music. It's sure that with Ozzy or Ronnie, Sabbath will have sold out stadiums. Tony Martin is the most unknown singer ever released an album with Sabbath.
Osbourne, Dio, Gillan and Hughes are Rock Legends. Martin is a much more low profile and less popular singer.

Ray Rules
10-26-2006, 11:28 AM
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Come on guys. We know you like Martin but hey.... Who knows Tony Martin exept Sabbath fans? Dio and Ozzy are legends of Hard Rock and Heavy Metal music. It's sure that with Ozzy or Ronnie, Sabbath will have sold out stadiums. Tony Martin is the most unknown singer ever released an album with Sabbath.
Osbourne, Dio, Gillan and Hughes are Rock Legends. Martin is a much more low profile and less popular singer.

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You sure have a point, but you can't forgget that TM is been touring on Europe for an year.. Spain, Italy and a lot of places. And you can't also forget about M3 thing. They sent a good number of cds, and filled a high number of tickets.

Relic
10-26-2006, 12:28 PM
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TM is been touring on Europe for an year.. Spain, Italy and a lot of places. And you can't also forget about M3 thing. They sent a good number of cds, and filled a high number of tickets.

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I saw M3 with Martin in Bilston when they recorded the live album, and the place was sold out, maybe 400 ticket or so. I also saw the Tony Martin Band last year and there was probably less than a hundred people at the gig /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif.

Eternal Idol
10-26-2006, 04:32 PM
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Come on guys. We know you like Martin but hey.... Who knows Tony Martin exept Sabbath fans? Dio and Ozzy are legends of Hard Rock and Heavy Metal music. It's sure that with Ozzy or Ronnie, Sabbath will have sold out stadiums. Tony Martin is the most unknown singer ever released an album with Sabbath.
Osbourne, Dio, Gillan and Hughes are Rock Legends. Martin is a much more low profile and less popular singer.

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So what ! We go through this over and over again ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/brickwall.gif

MarcStitz
10-26-2006, 05:08 PM
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Come on guys. We know you like Martin but hey.... Who knows Tony Martin exept Sabbath fans? Dio and Ozzy are legends of Hard Rock and Heavy Metal music. It's sure that with Ozzy or Ronnie, Sabbath will have sold out stadiums. Tony Martin is the most unknown singer ever released an album with Sabbath.
Osbourne, Dio, Gillan and Hughes are Rock Legends. Martin is a much more low profile and less popular singer.

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You sure have a point, but you can't forgget that TM is been touring on Europe for an year.. Spain, Italy and a lot of places. And you can't also forget about M3 thing. They sent a good number of cds, and filled a high number of tickets.

[/ QUOTE ]Correct, I don't think im ever going to see Tony live.

Ray Rules
10-26-2006, 10:35 PM
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TM is been touring on Europe for an year.. Spain, Italy and a lot of places. And you can't also forget about M3 thing. They sent a good number of cds, and filled a high number of tickets.

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I saw M3 with Martin in Bilston when they recorded the live album, and the place was sold out, maybe 400 ticket or so. I also saw the Tony Martin Band last year and there was probably less than a hundred people at the gig /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif.

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And tell me, they kick asses??

Drifter7
10-27-2006, 04:15 AM
And Paul Di'Anno from Iron Maiden is touring arround the world for 5 constant years. That doesn't mean the if he re-unites with Harris, Murray, MCBrain and Smith it will be such a success. I will like it but not most of the fans. It's a dream for you Martin fans that will never come true.

Eternal Idol
10-27-2006, 06:22 AM
[It's a dream for you Martin fans that will never come true.

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Dude you make that sound like a bad thing ? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Relic
10-27-2006, 06:38 AM
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I saw M3 with Martin in Bilston when they recorded the live album, and the place was sold out, maybe 400 ticket or so. I also saw the Tony Martin Band last year and there was probably less than a hundred people at the gig /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif.

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And tell me, they kick asses??

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Yeah, the M3 gig was pretty cool as you probably know if you've heard the live album. I've actually seen M3 twice with Martin and both shows were great. Of course I kind of prefered the setlist at the Tony Martin solo gig. Not that I've got anything against Whitesnake, it's just that I had looked forward to seeing Tony sing the Sabbath stuff again so much /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

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And Paul Di'Anno from Iron Maiden is touring arround the world for 5 constant years. That doesn't mean the if he re-unites with Harris, Murray, MCBrain and Smith it will be such a success.

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Di'Anno never played with McBrain in the first place /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif.

Ray Rules
10-27-2006, 09:33 AM
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I saw M3 with Martin in Bilston when they recorded the live album, and the place was sold out, maybe 400 ticket or so. I also saw the Tony Martin Band last year and there was probably less than a hundred people at the gig /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif.

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And tell me, they kick asses??

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Yeah, the M3 gig was pretty cool as you probably know if you've heard the live album. I've actually seen M3 twice with Martin and both shows were great. Of course I kind of prefered the setlist at the Tony Martin solo gig. Not that I've got anything against Whitesnake, it's just that I had looked forward to seeing Tony sing the Sabbath stuff again so much /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

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And Paul Di'Anno from Iron Maiden is touring arround the world for 5 constant years. That doesn't mean the if he re-unites with Harris, Murray, MCBrain and Smith it will be such a success.

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Di'Anno never played with McBrain in the first place /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif.

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You are so damn lucky! I would love to have seen those concerts! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Joe Siegler
10-27-2006, 03:14 PM
Originally Posted By: Eternal Idol [It's a dream for you Martin fans that will never come true.

Dude you make that sound like a bad thing ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> [/quote]

Testing 1-2-3. I needed to pick a post to do a test reply to on the new software.

Paulie 88
10-27-2006, 10:06 PM
Originally Posted By: Relic Di'Anno never played with McBrain in the first place

I'm sure his point was that Clive Burr probably can't do it now, he's got some sort of degenerative muscular disease now, the poor bastard... I forget which one. But there WAS a drummer before Clive actually, who I believe played on the Soundhouse Tapes.

Just as I'm partial to the Dio era of Sabbath, I GREATLY prefer the DiAnno era of Maiden.

How about a DiAnno/Martin collaboration! Duelling pipes...

All the best,
PAULIE

Joe Siegler
10-27-2006, 10:41 PM
Originally Posted By: Paulie 88 I'm sure his point was that Clive Burr probably can't do it now, he's got some sort of degenerative muscular disease now, the poor bastard... I forget which one. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clive_Burr" target="_blank">
Wikipedia is your friend.</a>

Petoria000
10-28-2006, 04:01 PM
Originally Posted By: Joe Siegler
Originally Posted By: Paulie 88 I'm sure his point was that Clive Burr probably can't do it now, he's got some sort of degenerative muscular disease now, the poor bastard... I forget which one. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clive_Burr" target="_blank">
Wikipedia is your friend.</a>

Wikipedia isn't my friend anymore. That bastard stole from my mother.

rar
10-29-2006, 12:07 AM
I wish people would be more clear with their random remarks. What do you mean...who stole from your mother?

Petoria000
10-29-2006, 10:02 AM
Originally Posted By: rar I wish people would be more clear with their random remarks. What do you mean...who stole from your mother?


Oh my god. How old are you? IT WAS A JOKE. You clearly have no sense of humor. http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Relic
10-29-2006, 04:08 PM
Originally Posted By: Paulie 88
Originally Posted By: Relic Di'Anno never played with McBrain in the first place.
I'm sure his point was that Clive Burr probably can't do it now, he's got some sort of degenerative muscular disease now, the poor bastard... I forget which one. But there WAS a drummer before Clive actually, who I believe played on the Soundhouse Tapes.
The drummer before Clive was Doug Sampson. I'm also aware of Clive's condition, I've met him, he's in a wheelchair now and will only be getting worse :(. Still if Di'Anno ever would make a guest appearance with Maiden it would obviously be with Nicko.

Eternal Idol
10-30-2006, 07:11 PM
Originally Posted By: Drifter7 Come on guys. We know you like Martin but hey.... Who knows Tony Martin exept Sabbath fans? Dio and Ozzy are legends of Hard Rock and Heavy Metal music. It's sure that with Ozzy or Ronnie, Sabbath will have sold out stadiums. Tony Martin is the most unknown singer ever released an album with Sabbath.
Osbourne, Dio, Gillan and Hughes are Rock Legends. Martin is a much more low profile and less popular singer.



I love this logic what band was Ozzy in before Sabbath broke it big ? Nothing ! I can see the arguement for Dio at least he had Elf and Rainbow under is belt but Ozzy was just as unknown as Martin before Sabbath became big .Yes i know what everyone is going to say Ozzy is god and Martin is nothing. http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/images/smilies/smile.gif But right now Ozzy is on my shitlist after the disaster of Ozzfest05 , washed up junkie .

8bit Fighter
10-30-2006, 07:34 PM
Well, gotta keep on dreaming on for a reunion. If anything at all, I would like Neil Murray and Bob Rodinelli come back and do something special like someone posted befor me said.

Psycho Man
10-30-2006, 07:47 PM
Quote: Ozzy is on my shitlist after the disaster of Ozzfest05

thats a stupid reason considering Ozzy had nothing to do with it. Call Sharon a bitch and I'll stand beside you and egg her. But Ozzy had absolutley nothing to do with the egging.

Headless Tyr
10-30-2006, 08:06 PM
I sure hope the legacy of Tony Martin will be done justice some day http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/images/smilies/smile.gif

MarcStitz
10-30-2006, 08:09 PM
^^^My gut feeling it won't happen

Ray Rules
10-30-2006, 09:50 PM
Quote: Well, gotta keep on dreaming on for a reunion. If anything at all, I would like Neil Murray and Bob Rodinelli come back and do something special like someone posted befor me said.

Yes man! Imagine that... Neil is the top bass player in Sabbath history!


Quote: But right now Ozzy is on my shitlist after the disaster of Ozzfest05 , washed up junkie .

Man, I don't think Ozzy had anything with Ozzfest disaster..

Joe Siegler
10-31-2006, 12:58 AM
Guys, Martin in Sabbath again is NOT HAPPENING. I hate to sound like a shit about it, but I've spoken to him. He's gotten the shaft three times. He won't (and shoudln't) put himself in position for a fourth.

Ray Rules
10-31-2006, 02:19 AM
Even in a band called anything than Black Sabbath, and for promoting a possible Black Box with his discs?..

Petoria000
10-31-2006, 10:19 AM
Originally Posted By: Ray Rules Even in a band called anything than Black Sabbath, and for promoting a possible Black Box with his discs?..

Even still. How can he gain any respect in the music world if he keeps going back to the same guy who doesnt think much of him?

David86
10-31-2006, 02:07 PM
He FINALLY managed to get a record contract. Look what happened in 92, when the record label he was working with didn't like that he was working with Sabbath again and released him. He can't take that chance again.

Eternal Idol
10-31-2006, 05:36 PM
Originally Posted By: Psycho Man
Quote: Ozzy is on my shitlist after the disaster of Ozzfest05

thats a stupid reason considering Ozzy had nothing to do with it. Call Sharon a bitch and I'll stand beside you and egg her. But Ozzy had absolutley nothing to do with the egging.




Sorry has nothing to do with the Maiden thing with me even though that was very distasteful , my reason is that when i finally got the money and means to get great seats for my favorite band of my life Ozzy pulls a no show that year in the 2nd of 2 shows at PNC in NJ .God i was praying that Dickonson would pull a Halford and step in but no avail for that night ! http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/images/smilies/brickwall.gif

Eternal Idol
10-31-2006, 05:36 PM
Originally Posted By: Psycho Man
Quote: Ozzy is on my shitlist after the disaster of Ozzfest05

thats a stupid reason considering Ozzy had nothing to do with it. Call Sharon a bitch and I'll stand beside you and egg her. But Ozzy had absolutley nothing to do with the egging.




Sorry has nothing to do with the Maiden thing with me even though that was very distasteful , my reason is that when i finally got the money and means to get great seats for my favorite band of my life Ozzy pulls a no show that year in the 2nd of 2 shows at PNC in NJ .God i was praying that Dickonson would pull a Halford and step in but no avail for that night ! http://www.black-sabbath.com/vb/images/smilies/brickwall.gif

Joe Siegler
11-01-2006, 06:43 PM
Originally Posted By: Ray Rules Even in a band called anything than Black Sabbath, and for promoting a possible Black Box with his discs?..

Yes. That ship has sailed. Give it up.

Joe Siegler
11-01-2006, 06:43 PM
Originally Posted By: Ray Rules Even in a band called anything than Black Sabbath, and for promoting a possible Black Box with his discs?..

Yes. That ship has sailed. Give it up.

rar
11-01-2006, 09:06 PM
Originally Posted By: 8bit Fighter Well, gotta keep on dreaming on for a reunion. If anything at all, I would like Neil Murray and Bob Rodinelli come back and do something special like someone posted befor me said.

Man Bobby Rondinelli is amazing! I'd like to see some more from Laurence Cottle, to be honest. His work on Headless Cross impressed me...mostly on the title track, but I haven't given the rest a good enough listen.

MarcStitz
11-01-2006, 09:12 PM
Headless Cross is amazing song, but the rest of the album sucks. Don't bother with the rest of it.

Joe Siegler
11-01-2006, 10:48 PM
Originally Posted By: MarcStitz Headless Cross is amazing song, but the rest of the album sucks. Don't bother with the rest of it.

No way. Nightwing is one of the better songs the Sabs have done. It's very underrated.

Ray Rules
11-02-2006, 02:28 AM
I spoke to Jamie Malender ( TM bass player ), and I asked him which one from Sabbath bass players have the most complex bass lines to play between Neil Murray, Laurence Cottle and Geezer. He said Laurence lines are more complicated, because he's a great jazz player, but that Neil Murray is his hero, tho.



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No way. Nightwing is one of the better songs the Sabs have done. It's very underrated.

And we gotta have in mind that Tony Martin only sang it one time. Actually, guys, what you heard on the cd is what Tony Martin recorded for the guide record. I could wonder why they never did that live, but I'm pretty sure that if TM tried to reach those notes after 10, 12 songs in a concert, his voice would just take a trip to Mars and never come back LOL

renbergs
11-09-2006, 07:00 AM
Originally Posted By: rar I could honestly see why they wouldnt do this...and its NOT because I don't like TM era, its because Ozzy and Dio era are sure moneymakers, whereas TM is not quite as known. I could only see them doing something with Gillan, but that's obviously very unlikely to happen.

Unfortunately, you've got a very good point there! And I couldn't care less for a reunion with Gillan.


Originally Posted By: Ray rules Well, don't get me wrong, but in Europe, Black Sabbath with Tony Martin probably more famous than with Gillan or Glenn, and even with Dio... just see in Russia, two shows in a day during a week!

That was quite some time ago. Sure, the TM era of Sabbath is bigger here in Europe than it is in the States. But nowadays I wouldn't count for any huge success with a TM-Sabbath reunion.

Ray Rules
11-09-2006, 09:00 AM
Originally Posted By: renbergs
Originally Posted By: rar I could honestly see why they wouldnt do this...and its NOT because I don't like TM era, its because Ozzy and Dio era are sure moneymakers, whereas TM is not quite as known. I could only see them doing something with Gillan, but that's obviously very unlikely to happen.

Unfortunately, you've got a very good point there! And I couldn't care less for a reunion with Gillan.


Originally Posted By: Ray rules Well, don't get me wrong, but in Europe, Black Sabbath with Tony Martin probably more famous than with Gillan or Glenn, and even with Dio... just see in Russia, two shows in a day during a week!

That was quite some time ago. Sure, the TM era of Sabbath is bigger here in Europe than it is in the States. But nowadays I wouldn't count for any huge success with a TM-Sabbath reunion.

Well bro, you could, but we would have to pray for a huge media advertisement about the reunion, the albums and such.

blackblood
11-10-2006, 06:26 PM
Originally Posted By: Petoria000
Originally Posted By: Ray Rules Even in a band called anything than Black Sabbath, and for promoting a possible Black Box with his discs?..

Even still. How can he gain any respect in the music world if he keeps going back to the same guy who doesnt think much of him?

I wouldn't say that Iommi doesn't think much of Martin after he's had him sing in 5! Black Sabbath studio albums,I believe thousands of other singers would have loved Iommi not thinking much of them that way.The fact Iommy reunited with Ozzy doesn't mean Iommi doesn't like Martin,same thing for the reunion with Dio,don't underrate the fact musicians may prefer to play in front of dozens of thousands of fans instead of just a couple or very few thousands,not talking about the sale numbers of the records.What I mean is,it wasn't personal,it was the better option for Tony I. and it gave a nice sense of closure of the circle for the fans,too bad a new studio album never came.

I hear many talking about the Dio years release as "Black Box" 2 while this potential(hopefully real one day) Martin box set would be the 3rd one,but is it confirmed that the Dio box set has that name or is it just assumption cause it's Rhino that will release it?

blackblood
11-10-2006, 06:38 PM
It's funny how some of you are so sure there won't be a Martin box set because of the low sales(compared to Dio and Ozzy)of the Martin era stuff,I don't get it,since when the big bands(and Sabbath is one)have been stopped from releasing remasters of the least sold albums by the low sales?It happened rarely,plus some rightfully noticed some of these records went out of print,this would just be a new remaster of several albums packed together to sell copies of material that otherwise would sell less than with a marketing move like this,it would be something to get the money(again)from those Martin fans and quite possibly some new fans that would like to have even those missing years,it's not like the label should invest millions in the thing,the work in studio would be quite limited just to improve the sound where it's possible,at best we could get some songs that's remained unreleased till now,some videos,japanese bonustracks,stuff most of us already have,with a new really nice packaging,liner notes and a bio of those years,maybe and I say maybe a couple of new tracks if the idea works really well with the Dio years release.The Cross Purposes live dvd in its entirety would rock as bonus extra.I would be all over this release.

Psycho Man
11-11-2006, 12:05 AM
Quote: t wasn't personalSeeing as how they haven't spoken to eachother in 10 years makes me think otherwise