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  • Big Black Shape
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    Not Black Sabbath but Off The Rails by Rudy Sarzo is one of the best books I’ve read. Some great Ozzy & Randy history and stories in there.

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  • A Sabbath Historian
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    Originally posted by nolanstolz View Post

    Popoff's Doom Let Loose has a lot of historical information mostly through quotes from interviews, as does the Garry Sharpe-Young book Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath, but they aren't totally current (up to 2005 or so). Popoff's FAQ Sabbath book also has good information. My book is thorough through 2017 with the various line-up changes, but it's not a gossip piece, so it doesn't get too deep in the drama, but rather focuses on the music itself by framing with what is happening with the band in society in general. It was painstakingly researched, but if certain things weren't verifiable (perhaps some of the "dishing the dirt" you might be looking for) I either omitted it or absolved myself by saying something like "according to Mick Wall. . ." You can get it on Amazon, and you can browse on google books to search for certain info you may want: https://www.amazon.com/Experiencing-.../dp/1442256915

    One thing I found "funny" in your book Nolan was the real reason for Ray Gillen's exit: management wouldn't pay him! Truthfully, that's the first time I've ever seen it written that bluntly in a Sabbath biography.

    Ultimately, I guess he can't be faulted for that. Still, better things were yet to come for him, like Badlands awesome debut album. Good times indeed.

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  • OzzyIsDio
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    Originally posted by Requiem View Post

    You got Daisley's book? That's great! I hope you loved it as much as Wheels and me.
    Yes, the hardcover edition, haven’t had the time yet to read it, so busy it’s unreal.

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  • Requiem
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    Originally posted by OzzyIsDio View Post
    Just got my book today Wheels, that was pretty quick, I’ll probably find some time to start reading this Christmas holiday.

    You’re a good man too Wheels.
    You got Daisley's book? That's great! I hope you loved it as much as Wheels and me.

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  • Requiem
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    Originally posted by Wheels Of Confusion View Post

    Not particularly what you asked for, but the best Sabbath book is "How Black Was Our Sabbath?" by David Tangye and Graham Wright, who were the assistants to Ozzy and Bill respectively in the 70s.

    I haven't read "Doom Let Loose" so I can't comment on it, but I'd say Mick Wall's Sabbath book probably fits best what you are after...and it is full of wrong information and some obvious pettiness from the author.
    I've only followed these guys since the late 80s but there's stuff in there I know is wrong.

    Iommi's book is a fluff piece and very very cautious of saying anything about the Osbournes (the meal ticket) and is also full of wrong information that even a lightweight fan could spot.

    Ozzy's book is hilarious but he barely talks about the music and making it, and contains a more than modest amount of blatant lies on the subject (because they hate Bob Daisley and try to remove and omit him and other key contributors from the Ozzy story)

    Bob Daisley's book "For Facts Sake" is the ultimate book on Ozzy's classic era- much to the Osbournes/nutswingers chargrin.
    It covers (in detail) the writing and recording of Blizzard, Diary, Bark At The Moon and to a lesser extent every Ozzy studio album up to Ozzmosis.
    Bob was Ozzy's lyricist during this time, and studio bass player too (he didn't play on The Ultimate Sin).
    It is chock full of rare and previously unseen photos and original lyric sheets etc.
    It also covers Bob's time in Sabbath (bass and lyrics on "The eternal Idol") as well as his time in Rainbow, Uriah Heep, Mungo Jerry and heaps of other bands.

    Bob kept a diary all those years so it isn't as vague and incorrect as other books.
    It's very funny to contrast Ozzy's book against Bob's, because Bob's is full of photographic evidence and truth and Ozzy's is full of...well, shit basically-when it comes to the music/business side of it anyway.

    Have you read it yet OID?
    Fantastic post, Wheels. I heartily endorse it!

    I agree that both Tony Iommi's book (although entertaining) and Ozzy's book (largely a fabrication by his publicist/Sharon) are completely unreliable and biased. You really do get a sense of Tony's naivety though - as even now he hasn't really learnt his lessons!

    I wouldn't say that 'How Black Was Our Sabbath' is the best Sabbath book, although it's very good.

    Bob Daisley's book 'For Fact's Sake' is definitely the best book I've ever read regarding Ozzy's career and all up is probably my all time favourite book on music. The specific detail and amazing in-house perspective means I've read it about three times and never grow tired of it. Man, I love Bob Daisley.

    I really liked Mick Wall's book 'Symptom of the Universe' because he really calls things as he sees them. It's jolly entertaining.

    No one has mentioned Martin Popoff's 'Black Metal FAQ', which I find to be probably the most detailed and thorough book that I've read on Sabbath. It's definitely worth checking out. Particularly interesting is the tension/conflict between Sabbath and Blue Oyster Cult and Sabbath and Van Halen.

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  • nolanstolz
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    Originally posted by Towelie View Post
    I'm looking for one that covers every lineup of the band and dishes the dirt on the various bust-ups etc.

    I've read reviews about Iommi's book being a bit tedious, and tbh, I find the best music biographies to be written by outside writers anyway, but I do want an author who is actually well-versed and knows the subject well.

    Does such a book exist on Sabbath?
    Popoff's Doom Let Loose has a lot of historical information mostly through quotes from interviews, as does the Garry Sharpe-Young book Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath, but they aren't totally current (up to 2005 or so). Popoff's FAQ Sabbath book also has good information. My book is thorough through 2017 with the various line-up changes, but it's not a gossip piece, so it doesn't get too deep in the drama, but rather focuses on the music itself by framing with what is happening with the band in society in general. It was painstakingly researched, but if certain things weren't verifiable (perhaps some of the "dishing the dirt" you might be looking for) I either omitted it or absolved myself by saying something like "according to Mick Wall. . ." You can get it on Amazon, and you can browse on google books to search for certain info you may want: https://www.amazon.com/Experiencing-.../dp/1442256915

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  • Towelie
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    I saw this on Amazon. Coming out on Dec 9th:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Sabba...5402715&sr=8-1

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  • Towelie
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    Originally posted by OzzyIsDio View Post
    Doom Let Loose was pretty good, probably the best one I've read yet.
    I like the look of this one, although itís quite pricey. Will keep my eye on eBay and see if I can get a good price! Thanks for the tip!

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  • OzzyIsDio
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    Originally posted by Wheels Of Confusion View Post
    Good man OID, I promise you won't regret spending that $39.
    I bought mine off Bob's website too.
    You'll be blown away by the Blizzard of Ozz content in there
    Just got my book today Wheels, that was pretty quick, I’ll probably find some time to start reading this Christmas holiday.

    You’re a good man too Wheels.

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  • Wheels Of Confusion
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    Good man OID, I promise you won't regret spending that $39.
    I bought mine off Bob's website too.
    You'll be blown away by the Blizzard of Ozz content in there
    Last edited by Wheels Of Confusion; 11-29-2019, 04:33 PM.

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  • OzzyIsDio
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    Originally posted by Wheels Of Confusion View Post
    Have you read it yet OID?
    I have not read it yet Wheels, but thanks for the reminder.

    Wheels I was just searching for the book on Barnes and Noble, which doesn't even have it, and Amazon and eBay are asking for a ridiculous amount of money, the lowest I could find is in the $60 range and as high as $130, crazy will keep looking though.


    NOTE:
    I was just able to get a new copy on Amazon, Hardcover for $39.00 being sold by Bob himself, unbelievable how everyone else has skyrocketed the price, they are going used for $120 softcover edition, at least I got it.

    Thanks again for the reminder Wheels.
    Last edited by OzzyIsDio; 11-29-2019, 07:23 AM.

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  • Wheels Of Confusion
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    Originally posted by Towelie View Post
    I'm looking for one that covers every lineup of the band and dishes the dirt on the various bust-ups etc.

    I've read reviews about Iommi's book being a bit tedious, and tbh, I find the best music biographies to be written by outside writers anyway, but I do want an author who is actually well-versed and knows the subject well.

    Does such a book exist on Sabbath?
    Not particularly what you asked for, but the best Sabbath book is "How Black Was Our Sabbath?" by David Tangye and Graham Wright, who were the assistants to Ozzy and Bill respectively in the 70s.

    I haven't read "Doom Let Loose" so I can't comment on it, but I'd say Mick Wall's Sabbath book probably fits best what you are after...and it is full of wrong information and some obvious pettiness from the author.
    I've only followed these guys since the late 80s but there's stuff in there I know is wrong.

    Iommi's book is a fluff piece and very very cautious of saying anything about the Osbournes (the meal ticket) and is also full of wrong information that even a lightweight fan could spot.

    Ozzy's book is hilarious but he barely talks about the music and making it, and contains a more than modest amount of blatant lies on the subject (because they hate Bob Daisley and try to remove and omit him and other key contributors from the Ozzy story)

    Bob Daisley's book "For Facts Sake" is the ultimate book on Ozzy's classic era- much to the Osbournes/nutswingers chargrin.
    It covers (in detail) the writing and recording of Blizzard, Diary, Bark At The Moon and to a lesser extent every Ozzy studio album up to Ozzmosis.
    Bob was Ozzy's lyricist during this time, and studio bass player too (he didn't play on The Ultimate Sin).
    It is chock full of rare and previously unseen photos and original lyric sheets etc.
    It also covers Bob's time in Sabbath (bass and lyrics on "The eternal Idol") as well as his time in Rainbow, Uriah Heep, Mungo Jerry and heaps of other bands.

    Bob kept a diary all those years so it isn't as vague and incorrect as other books.
    It's very funny to contrast Ozzy's book against Bob's, because Bob's is full of photographic evidence and truth and Ozzy's is full of...well, shit basically-when it comes to the music/business side of it anyway.

    Have you read it yet OID?
    Last edited by Wheels Of Confusion; 11-29-2019, 05:29 AM.

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  • OzzyIsDio
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    Doom Let Loose was pretty good, probably the best one I've read yet.

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  • Ala
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    Originally posted by Towelie View Post

    I've read reviews about Iommi's book being a bit tedious, and tbh, I find the best music biographies to be written by outside writers anyway, but I do want an author who is actually well-versed and knows the subject well.
    I like Iommis book. Straight from the horses mouth as it were. Way better than Ozzys, even if that's also a pretty good, entertaining read.

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  • Towelie
    started a topic Can anyone recommend any Black Sabbath books?

    Can anyone recommend any Black Sabbath books?

    I'm looking for one that covers every lineup of the band and dishes the dirt on the various bust-ups etc.

    I've read reviews about Iommi's book being a bit tedious, and tbh, I find the best music biographies to be written by outside writers anyway, but I do want an author who is actually well-versed and knows the subject well.

    Does such a book exist on Sabbath?
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