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    I'm an old school Sabbath fanatic, Ozzy is Sabbath to me, Dio kept Sabbath on top after Ozzy left, Ian Gillan made one good album with Sabbath, that being Born Again.

    We all know that Seventh Star was Iommi's solo project, the Tony Martin albums deserve recognition. I never got to hear Ray Gillen with Sabbath, but yesterday after I bought the Seventh Star deluxe edition, I got to hear Ray Gillen for the first time, and I have to say I was taken aback.

    I can't stop listening to the 2nd CD, which is Ray Gillen in concert with Sabbath at the Hammersmith Odeon, he has such a beautiful voice, the way he sings the songs, I haven't heard anyone sing them like that since Ronnie James Dio did, and he does a good job singing the Glen Hughes and Ozzy songs as well.

    I am really impressed by this young man, whom I never heard sing before, I'd heard of him through Badlands, Blue Murder etc. But actually never gave him a chance, till yesterday and I am glad I did.

    It is sad that such a talented young singer like Ray Gillen died at such a young age, he could've given us so much more, and what he could've accomplished had he stayed with Sabbath.

    R.I.P. Ray Gillen.
    "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
    "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
    ________Sabbath Forever, Forever Sabbath!______OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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    Oh but he did give a little bit more besides Blue Murder and Badlands. 2010 saw Ray Gillen's only Black Sabbath Studio release: The Eternal Idol Deluxe Edition. Second disc to be in fact. It's almost finished product, but it's the only other official release of his time in Black Sabbath. I highly recommend checking out his version of EI along with Tony Martin's.

    Joe has more info in this link here.
    "Even with so much bad blood between us... It's funny... Now that I'm actually face to face with him again... The hatred is gone. All I feel is a deep sense of longing. And pity. Did Zero really hate me? Or... Did he fear me?" - Big Boss

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 8bit Fighter View Post
      Oh but he did give a little bit more besides Blue Murder and Badlands. 2010 saw Ray Gillen's only Black Sabbath Studio release: The Eternal Idol Deluxe Edition. Second disc to be in fact. It's almost finished product, but it's the only other official release of his time in Black Sabbath. I highly recommend checking out his version of EI along with Tony Martin's.

      Joe has more info in this link here.
      Thanks for that 8bit Fighter, I will be buying the Eternal Idol deluxe edition, I like the way Ray Gillen sings the Seventh Star songs better than Glenn did, as a matter of fact I haven't stopped listening to the 2nd disc on the Seventh Star deluxe edition since I got.
      "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
      "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
      ________Sabbath Forever, Forever Sabbath!______OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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      • #4
        OID ,
        Listen to the few songs sung by Ray for the concept album Phenomena II : Dream Runner . A Tom Galley project with Ray , Glenn Hughes and others on vocals

        "No Retreat No Surrender " is a good example , AOR but great

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        • #5
          I saw Black Sabbath live with Ray singing, it was a fantastic show, maybe as good as Dio live. Question I have always wanted to ask: Since so many consider Seventh star a solo project, does that mean I actually saw a Tony Iommi solo concert, not a Black Sabbath show?
          Last edited by Bugman; 03-23-2013, 02:02 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bugman View Post
            I saw Black Sabbath live with Ray singing, it was a fantastic show, maybe as good as Dio live. Question I have always wanted to ask: Since so many consider Seventh star a solo project, does that mean I actually saw a Tony Iommi solo concert, not a Black Sabbath show?
            Welcome to the forum Bugman, I hope you enjoy your visit. In my opinion if the show you saw was billed as Black Sabbath and they played the Sabbath classics, then it was a Black Sabbath show you saw. It is considered an Iommi solo project because Tony Iommi himself stated it was, and that he was forced by Warner Bros. to market it as a Black Sabbath album in order to increase sales, hence the name Black Sabbath-Seventh Star, Featuring Tony Iommi.

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            Originally posted by TYR66 View Post
            OID ,
            Listen to the few songs sung by Ray for the concept album Phenomena II : Dream Runner . A Tom Galley project with Ray , Glenn Hughes and others on vocals

            "No Retreat No Surrender " is a good example , AOR but great

            Thank you for suggesting this Ray Gillen piece, I listened to it but is really not my thing, I think I will explore more of the material he did with Sabbath, Thank you TYR66.
            "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
            "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
            ________Sabbath Forever, Forever Sabbath!______OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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            • #7
              Thank you OzzyIsDio for the welcome! I have been a very longtime lurker, and a Sabbath fan even longer, I have finally decided to join the conservations. Might be an interesting thought to post as a new thread.

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              • #8
                Another very good collaboration with Mr Scary himself, George Lynch

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                • #9
                  I will be exploring more of the material he did with Sabbath, like The Eternal Idol songs, which I haven't been able to get yet, maybe if I could get my hands on some shows he did with Sabbath, I'd love to hear those shows.

                  I don't know why he didn't stick with Sabbath instead.
                  "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
                  "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
                  ________Sabbath Forever, Forever Sabbath!______OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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                  • #10
                    If I can recall correctly, he thought Black Sabbath wasn't going anywhere and decided there was no future in it. It was a very slow time in that era after Seventh Star. People were coming and going from the band.

                    UPDATE:

                    From Joe Siegler's Time Line:

                    XIV – September 1986 – November 1986

                    Ray Gillen – Vocals
                    Tony Iommi – Guitar
                    Bob Daisley – Bass
                    Eric Singer – Drums
                    Geoff Nicholls – Keyboards

                    Albums from this lineup:

                    The Eternal Idol Deluxe Edition Disc 2 (unreleased for ages, finally came out Nov 2010)

                    Before I get started on the mass confusion that is the recording of the Eternal Idol album, I’d like to thank Bob Daisley & Eric Singer for their help in this section. As you read it, you’ll definitely see why I needed help putting this together, as it’s terribly confusing, even having spoken to these guys who were there for parts of it. This section wouldn’t be what it it was without their assistance, so thanks guys.

                    In July/August of 1986, the band is doing demos for a new album – which would eventually become The Eternal Idol. From what I can gather, the producer of the album had some problems with Dave Spitz where he would either not turn up, or would always be on the phone with his girlfriend, basically it wasn’t working out, so he was asked to “rest” (or took the time off himself – I really cannot get a solid answer on this, and Spitz refuses to talk about why he exited the band). Either way, from what I can gather, he wasn’t officially fired as such.

                    A short while after that, Bob Daisley was asked by the album’s producer, Jeff Glixman if he’d be interested in working on the project, and he accepted. Work began in earnest on the recording of the album; all the basic tracks were laid down by this band during the month of September. Bob was actually only around for two weeks or so in the recording studio. He told me that he left for Air Studios in Monserrat (where the recording was done) on September 30th, and took off to go back home on October 11th. During this time, it was discovered that Ray’s ability to write lyrics was not the greatest, hence a lot of lyrics came from Daisley & Nicholls.

                    Bob tells me that he was asked to join Black Sabbath formally during this period (and again afterwards) after laying down the tracks for the album, but was committed to the Gary Moore band at the time, and couldn’t join Sabbath.

                    There’s two known versions of the album floating around in collector’s circles with this lineup. One was more advanced than the other (the earlier one doesn’t have all guitar solos on it). After speaking to Bob Daisley about the album, and sending him a copy of the bootleg, he confirms that the version of Eternal Idol that is floating around with Ray Gillen on vocals is from this version of the band.


                    XV – November 1986 to March 1987 (A Big Mess)

                    Ray Gillen – Vocals
                    Tony Martin – Vocals
                    Tony Iommi – Guitar
                    Well, not sure exactly, Dave Spitz? – Bass
                    Eric Singer – Drums
                    Geoff Nicholls – Keyboards

                    Albums from this lineup:

                    None

                    This period is highly confusing, as there were multiple comings and goings. People listed in the lineup weren’t here for the entire period. It’s probably the weakest part of the band’s history. I’m really surprised they didn’t just give up here.

                    After Bob Daisley left for good in October, there was no formal bassist in the band (even though Dave Spitz was formally not out either – that’s weird). In fact, most of the next several months would have no bassist, as Bob had laid down the tracks already, and then left. From what I can gather, this period was most likely studio time as the band that existed at this point continued to work on the album.

                    Eric has told me that he was no longer part of the band as of January 1987. He said that the Sabbath situation was just kind of falling apart, so he left. He took the time and auditioned for Gary Moore’s band, and then when that didn’t work out, he formed Badlands with Ray Gillen (after Gillen left Sabbath a short while later) after having met Jake E. Lee, now ex of Ozzy’s band.

                    In January, Sabbath goes to a different set of studios and does further work on the album, but without a formal drummer or bassist. As Eric had laid down his tracks already, the band really didn’t need a drummer as such, and my research says that during this time Sabbath didn’t actually have a drummer, either. The situation was so bad, that Eric’s equipment was stuck overseas, and I recall a story about Eric having to pay to get his own equipment back because the band had no money or something along those lines.

                    Around March of 1987, Ray Gillen leaves the band (according to an interview), because he felt Sabbath wasn’t going anywhere, as well as his feeling that the band didn’t really have any future. It was a foolish opinion, if you ask me – but given the band had no formal bassist or drummer would explain that feeling, I guess. Of course, with an album not completed, and the lead vocalist gone, the vocals had to be redone, hence the appearance of Tony Martin. Actually, Tony Martin was considered for the position in 1986, but he was already in a band at the time (The Misha Calvin Band). Tony Martin has said that one small bit of Ray’s vocals was left on the released version of Eternal Idol, that being some laughter on the track “Nightmare”.

                    As a side note, during this time, Ray Gillen had tried out for Blue Murder, but wasn’t actually hired, with the excuse of “He couldn’t sing!”.
                    Last edited by 8bit Fighter; 03-26-2013, 02:47 PM.
                    "Even with so much bad blood between us... It's funny... Now that I'm actually face to face with him again... The hatred is gone. All I feel is a deep sense of longing. And pity. Did Zero really hate me? Or... Did he fear me?" - Big Boss

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                    • #11
                      Thank you 8bit Fighter.
                      "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
                      "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
                      ________Sabbath Forever, Forever Sabbath!______OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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                      • #12
                        Ray has an awesome voice. Very underrated one at that. The Eternal Idol deluxe is great. R.I.P. Ray

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Van Sabbath View Post
                          Ray has an awesome voice. Very underrated one at that. The Eternal Idol deluxe is great. R.I.P. Ray
                          Yes he did have an underated voice, I just bought the Eternal Idol deluxe edition today, Ray Gillen sounds great on the Eternal Idol sessions.
                          "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
                          "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
                          ________Sabbath Forever, Forever Sabbath!______OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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                          • #14
                            When Ray took over for Glenn... the music press was very high on him and Sabbath, in the US... he was generating great crowds live, and the women in particular loved him... he was young, sexy, charismatic, and had a great voice... unfortunatly for BS, he used them as an audition that lead to him joining a new young band Blue Murder... I think Ray saw the writing on the wall, there's no winner in taking over for an Ozzy/Dio Sabbath, he was too young and too talented to waste a career opportunity to make his own mark, rather than front a band with 1 original member, living off their name and past glories....
                            "Music is so sacred to me that I canít hear wishy-washy nonsense just played for the sake of selling records."
                            R. Blackmore

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                            • #15
                              I like the Ray Gillen version of the Eternal Idol songs over the Tony Martin version.
                              "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
                              "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
                              ________Sabbath Forever, Forever Sabbath!______OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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