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  • A Sabbath Historian
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    Originally posted by nolanstolz View Post
    There isn't really an official narrative, but it's documented that it was originally intended to be a solo album (even in the press in June of 1985 long before it was completed). I cover it in chapter 6 of my book: https://www.amazon.com/Experiencing-.../dp/1442256915

    Fairly or unfairly nolan, what Iommi "intended" with Seventh Star and what actually happened are vastly different. Just saying.

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  • nolanstolz
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    Originally posted by William_the_Bloody View Post
    It sounds like my info about 7th Star and Fenholdt and the timeline was coming from a well-meaning but misinformed source. I trust the investigation and all evidence presented at that time was 100% conclusive and now will adopt (once again) the official narrative.

    Thanks for all the kind words about my threads Wait for my "Is Ozzy Mr. Tinkertrain?" thread (Just kidding!) (Or am I?)
    There isn't really an official narrative, but it's documented that it was originally intended to be a solo album (even in the press in June of 1985 long before it was completed). I cover it in chapter 6 of my book: https://www.amazon.com/Experiencing-.../dp/1442256915

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  • ronn
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    Best Sabbath album \m/

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  • OzzyIsDio
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    Originally posted by Ala View Post
    Listened to the album front to back on my way to work today for the first time in a while. It's a really good album! Lots of great, catchy songs and melodies.
    That's what happened to me, when I gave this album a another chance, it just took me and now I love it!

    Originally posted by BACK TO EDEN View Post


    @OID , love that you were listening to the GREAT 7TH STAR today at 4 A.M.!
    Doc, I've only you to credit for me getting into the post Gillan/Sabbath eras, after meeting you and seeing and feeling your enthusiasm and energy involving these eras, I had to give then another chance, hell that's when I went and replaced the entire Martin/Sabbath albums and Hughes/Sabbath album on CD, before I only had them on cassette, and I am so Glad I did, they all get regular spins now.


    Doc you have the Sabbath Shining!

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  • led sabbath
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    I agree it's down near the bottom of their albums. But at the time it came out it's all we had. It still had Tony Iommi.

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  • Ala
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    Listened to the album front to back on my way to work today for the first time in a while. It's a really good album! Lots of great, catchy songs and melodies.

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  • William_the_Bloody
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    Originally posted by A Sabbath Historian View Post
    Problem is, the "official narrative" fails to acknowledge that Iommi and his handlers were in blatant damage-control mode throughout 1986. If you read the Billboard articles from that time, it's as plain as day.

    As always, I'll gladly go on record and say it was the worst PR campaign I've EVER seen for a single album in my lifetime.
    Absolutely no question there. It was probably touch-and-go for Born Again too, but that was before I was Sabbath "Woke"

    Which is odd, because when i woke up to Sabbath...1984...Born Again was the most recent album and man, it looked like it had been sitting there for 10 years. It read as "old" just looking at the cover. Strange, eh?
    Last edited by William_the_Bloody; 05-02-2019, 02:32 PM.

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  • A Sabbath Historian
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    Originally posted by William_the_Bloody View Post
    It sounds like my info about 7th Star and Fenholdt and the timeline was coming from a well-meaning but misinformed source. I trust the investigation and all evidence presented at that time was 100% conclusive and now will adopt (once again) the official narrative.
    Problem is, the "official narrative" fails to acknowledge that Iommi and his handlers were in blatant damage-control mode throughout 1986. If you read the Billboard articles from that time, it's as plain as day.

    As always, I'll gladly go on record and say it was the worst PR campaign I've EVER seen for a single album in my lifetime.

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  • Kennyz
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    Originally posted by BACK TO EDEN View Post
    ..... not THE best all time , but no doubt the 11th greatest release in the history of all and any music -

    1) Sabotage

    1) Dehumanizer

    1) Iommi

    1) Headless Cross

    1) MOR

    6) Born Again

    7) Fused

    8) Black Sabbath

    9) Heaven N Hell

    10) The Eternal Idol

    11) SEVENTH STAR

    Great thread!


    Ok,hereīs my list:

    1.Sabbath Bloody Sabbath

    2.Black Sabbath

    3.Vol. 4

    4.Sabotage

    5.Master of Reality

    6.Never Say Die

    7.Mob Rules

    8.Paranoid

    9.Heaven and Hell

    10.Technical Ecstasy

    11.Born Again

    12.Seventh Star

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  • William_the_Bloody
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    It sounds like my info about 7th Star and Fenholdt and the timeline was coming from a well-meaning but misinformed source. I trust the investigation and all evidence presented at that time was 100% conclusive and now will adopt (once again) the official narrative.

    Thanks for all the kind words about my threads Wait for my "Is Ozzy Mr. Tinkertrain?" thread (Just kidding!) (Or am I?)

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  • William_the_Bloody
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    Originally posted by Kennyz View Post
    If Paranoid is perfect and Seventh Star is not,why isnīt Paranoid on the list?
    Perfect doesn't always mean favorite. "Stay Hungry" is a perfect album, but meh.

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  • SweetSymptom
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    Exactly Doc, Fenholt later spun the Sabbath narrative to suit his own purposes. But he was never involved in Sabbath, it was still Tony's solo album at that point.

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  • BACK TO EDEN
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    **** My response to Kennyz is the most important read in this post ....



    Originally posted by William_the_Bloody View Post
    Jeff Fendholdt wrote lyrics for music that ended up as 7th Star under the understanding that he had joined Black Sabbath.

    Iommi wrote 7th star music assuming it was for Black Sabbath.

    That's what I'm reading, anyway.
    William this is 100% incorrect .... Fenholt joined and "demo" recorded an Iommi solo effort titled "Star Of India" .... at no time was he even remotely involved in a Sabbath project.

    IOMMI never wrote a single solitary note with the impression or intent that it would end up on a Sabbath release .... ALL 9 tracks were complete prior to the powers that be making their changes.

    I did a complete timeline in 2 threads found in this section of the forums that covers this extensively , with pictures and break downs .... final production accetates , vocalist outlines , etc .... that both inside and OUTSIDE this forum , substantial individuals reached out to me for laying down the facts with full and total appriectiation.

    .... I would find and attach those details here (you have my blessings if you would like ....) , but I'm not too proud of my aggressiveness toward those who argued (with nothing) for arguments sake against the absolute 100% facts that I laid out for all to see.



    Originally posted by A Sabbath Historian View Post
    Fairly or unfairly, Seventh Star will mostly be remembered for the (self-inflicted) PR farce that ensued upon the album's release. Solo album first, a minute later it's a Sabbath album, then it's back to a solo album...after it (and the tour) bombed. You get the picture.

    And YES, there's a lot more to this story than has been reported---- without question. I couldn't agree more.

    I'll go with you halfway on your earlier comparison W_T_B. I can hear a Whitesnake bent to the material, although I personally don't hear anything resembling Kingdom Come. I found that comparison interesting, to say the least.

    My opinion on the album's merits is still the same. As an Iommi album--- two stars. As a "Black $abbath" album--- ZERO!

    I commend you for wanting to have an objective discussion about an album that commenced a tumultuous 10-year period of Iommi's career. Respect.
    Hands down agree with you about William , he in just a few days has invigorated these forums with some fantastic conversation!


    Originally posted by Kennyz View Post
    If Paranoid is perfect and Seventh Star is not,why isnīt Paranoid on the list?
    Kenny , in the history of what IS "Black Sabbath" .... Paranoid is the 4th most important album Sabbath ever released , just ahead of "TDYK" , yet further away from "Seventh Star" as one might think ....

    MOST IMPORTANT RELEASES IN SABBATH HISTORY -

    1) Heaven N Hell - without it , the world of Black Sabbath as we know it does NOT exist , and THAT INCLUDES this albums importance FOR THE LEGACY of the great 8 .... period.

    2) Black Sabbath - Sabbath doesn't exist if this release was not the most important debut of all time - and it is.

    3) Seventh Star - This release right here solidified IOMMI AS BLACK SABBATH forever , and opened the door to a non stop diverse Sabbath universe , that NO band - not The Beatles , Rush , Purple , no one - has the luxury to exist in outside of One band - BLACK SABBATH!! ..... thank you Mr Don Arden!

    4) Paranoid - The world's most perfect album , allowing Sabbath to become the monster it became.



    @OID , love that you were listening to the GREAT 7TH STAR today at 4 A.M.!


    ***** GREAT WORK once again WILLIAM!
    Last edited by BACK TO EDEN; 05-01-2019, 07:53 PM. Reason: God Bless Sabbath maniacs!

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  • Kennyz
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    Originally posted by BACK TO EDEN View Post
    ..... not THE best all time , but no doubt the 11th greatest release in the history of all and any music -

    1) Sabotage

    1) Dehumanizer

    1) Iommi

    1) Headless Cross

    1) MOR

    6) Born Again

    7) Fused

    8) Black Sabbath

    9) Heaven N Hell

    10) The Eternal Idol

    11) SEVENTH STAR


    *** Paranoid is a perfect album ,, Seventh Star is a near perfect album.


    Great thread!

    If Paranoid is perfect and Seventh Star is not,why isnīt Paranoid on the list?

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  • A Sabbath Historian
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    Originally posted by William_the_Bloody View Post
    Jeff Fendholdt wrote lyrics for music that ended up as 7th Star under the understanding that he had joined Black Sabbath.

    Iommi wrote 7th star music assuming it was for Black Sabbath.

    That's what I'm reading, anyway.

    Fairly or unfairly, Seventh Star will mostly be remembered for the (self-inflicted) PR farce that ensued upon the album's release. Solo album first, a minute later it's a Sabbath album, then it's back to a solo album...after it (and the tour) bombed. You get the picture.

    And YES, there's a lot more to this story than has been reported---- without question. I couldn't agree more.

    I'll go with you halfway on your earlier comparison W_T_B. I can hear a Whitesnake bent to the material, although I personally don't hear anything resembling Kingdom Come. I found that comparison interesting, to say the least.

    My opinion on the album's merits is still the same. As an Iommi album--- two stars. As a "Black $abbath" album--- ZERO!

    I commend you for wanting to have an objective discussion about an album that commenced a tumultuous 10-year period of Iommi's career. Respect.

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