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  • #16
    Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

    Ronnie hasn't put out a decent Dio album since "Last In Line" IMO... he needs a decent songwriting/ quality control team... With Tony & Geezer, he has that... Hopefully it won't be an album of "The Devil Cried" like dirges... and they'll get a decent mixture of melody and crunch

    I'm moderately hopeful... with fingers crossed!
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    • #17
      Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

      While I liked the 3 songs from the Dio years, they seem to "plod" a little. I'm hoping for some faster paced material with some of the fluent Iommi solos that were on H&H and MR.
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      • #18
        Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

        Originally Posted By: bloodyangel Ronnie hasn't put out a decent Dio album since "Last In Line" IMO...
        I have to disagree... all Dio records were "decent", but no one since "Dream Evil" was "outstanding", if you know what I mean.
        But I hope that if they're taking some time to write, they come up with a really good album.

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        • #19
          Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

          I'll put this on the table: it's a *NEW* Sabbath album, and I'm thankful for that.
          "Even with so much bad blood between us... It's funny... Now that I'm actually face to face with him again... The hatred is gone. All I feel is a deep sense of longing. And pity. Did Zero really hate me? Or... Did he fear me?" - Big Boss

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          • #20
            Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

            Why donīt you want Geezer to be involved in the writing process? I think his solo stuff is great!

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            • #21
              Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

              There are varying, to say the least, assessments of Geezer's solo recordings.
              "There's only one Black Sabbath... I like to call him Tony Iommi" - racer

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              • #22
                Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

                Although of the three Dio-era Sabbath albums, I always have and still do enjoy (for the most part) ONLY Mob Rules, I really wouldn't wanna wish to have the latest Heaven & Hell act to sound too much like anything of that era's invariably insipid output. And heaven forbid, nothing at all like what I've always regarded as the absolutely abysmal major chunk of Dio's solo career canon.

                I reckon that basically means all I really want from H&H is a blatantly more daring, dangerous-sounding sort of record with songs that are played consistently faster, sound and feel more abrasive and are lyrically leaner and meaner (despite the incorrigibly corrupting influence of an ageing elf called RJD)
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                • #23
                  Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

                  Originally Posted By: 8bit Fighter I'll put this on the table: it's a *NEW* Sabbath album, and I'm thankful for that.
                  So much said in so few words. Nicely put 8bit!
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                  • #24
                    Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

                    i've always preferred the Dehumanizer "sound" but i'd be fine with the production they used on the 3 new tracks.

                    either way, we're getting a new Dio-Sabbath record, and i couldn't be happier. it's sure to not disappoint.

                    and for people ragging on Dio's recent albums, Magica was a masterpiece in it's own right.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

                      I'm hoping for a mix of the 3. I like Dehumanizers sound but I think out of the 3 it has the most throw away songs.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

                        One more thing to add. I hope that the new CD is not maxed out in the compression department. The 3 Dio Years tracks are very "Loud." There have been a couple of threads discussing how new CD's are produced, and how they compress the music.

                        I am not a big fan of this, so if I have a say in it, which I don't :D, please mix it like H&H and MR. Nothing better than being able to hear those quiet parts to the songs.

                        I don't know if what I am typing is making sense, so here is a link to an article explaining what I am trying to say.

                        http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/05/16...ted-on-youtube/
                        "I can honestly say it’s truly been an honor to play at his side for all these years, his music will live on forever." ~ Tony Iommi (Speaking of Ronnie James Dio)

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                        • #27
                          Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

                          Originally Posted By: Dehumanizer6 and for people ragging on Dio's <u>recent</u> albums, Magica was a masterpiece in it's own right.
                          It's been <u>eight</u> years since Magica's release, the same time that elapsed between Last in Line and Dehumanizer and again between Dehumanizer and Magica. Time sure flies, which, while I'm a fan of Magica, is the reason I'm not really too fussed up about the supposed sequels either.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

                            Something along the lines of the 3 new tracks on the Dio Years album will be just fine, I think.

                            Though I wouldn't be opposed to Heaven & Hell Part 2, it isn't gonna happen. Tony just isn't writing that way anymore.

                            His riffs are sludgier these days.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

                              I'm listening to Dehumanizer right now.

                              I have always liked the sheer heaviness of this album.

                              New material in this vein wouldn't disappoint me at all.

                              I really liked "The Devil Cried" musically but I think the lyrics are silly. The "devil" stuff has been done to death. I wonder if Ronnie wrote that just because it's "expected" of Black Sabbath, like Tony Martin on much of Headless Cross. He's capable of so much more. Dehumanizer had some of his best lyrics.

                              However, I am disappointed that Geezer and Vinny aren't part of the writing process. It's always boggled me that Vinny never had any songwriting credits with Black Sabbath, when he had quite a few of them with Dio.
                              He is not here. He has risen!

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                              • #30
                                Re: Heaven and Hell/Mob Rules or Dehumanizer?

                                I'm listening to Dehumanizer right now.

                                I have always liked the sheer heaviness of this album.

                                New material in this vein wouldn't disappoint me at all.

                                I really liked "The Devil Cried" musically but I think the lyrics are silly. The "devil" stuff has been done to death. I wonder if Ronnie wrote that just because it's "expected" of Black Sabbath, like Tony Martin on much of Headless Cross. He's capable of so much more. Dehumanizer had some of his best lyrics.

                                However, I am disappointed that Geezer and Vinny aren't part of the writing process. It's always boggled me that Vinny never had any songwriting credits with Black Sabbath, when he had quite a few of them with Dio.
                                He is not here. He has risen!

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