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  • Originally posted by joebrice1992 View Post
    The album is receiving a lot of negative criticism on metal hammers facebook calling it a forgettable album and monotonous! bastards!
    Standard internet fair. It's rare to see positive discussion in quick blurbs via social media. Scroll through ANY YouTube video's comment section and try not to bang your head off a wall. I'll wait to see what people think via Amazon. Generally, people take some time and think those out. It's easier to grasp what the general public thinks through there.
    ***Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of other internet people, the internet police or the internet in general. It is to be assumed that all sentences are automatically followed by "IMO, BUDDY" as to not offend other internet people and start an internet fight.

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    • If 13 ends up being Sabbath's swansong then they are going out in style.

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      • Originally posted by Jeff View Post
        I've grown tired of this "debate," other than to say that I think to you, the mere mention or discussion of excessive digital compression constitutes "preoccupation." It's an issue for many. You'll have to live with it. As regards your odd assumption that it impacts the younger generation, I think the opposite is true. The "audiophile" labels like MFSL, Audio Fidelity and so forth seem to cater almost exclusively to fans of 60s/70s music. And I suspect that the majority of their customers are over 40.



        Either you're kidding or this says it all.

        Anyway, you can have a final word if you wish. I love this album and don't want to "debate" this topic any longer, but I feel strongly that people have every right to comment on the production. That they shouldn't strikes me as an odd request.
        There's only one choice Jeff, you'll have to live with it... the worlds not perfect in case you haven't noticed. Enjoy it, it may be another 35 yrs before we hear a sequel, maybe they'll have this compression thing figured out by then...

        ---------- Post added at 08:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:56 PM ----------

        Originally posted by Now in Darkness View Post
        Jeff, in all seriousness, please don't let this volume issue, that you perceive, ruin this experience for you. The world has changed and sometimes we have to roll with it out of necessity. You will only be depriving yourself of a magical memory if you don't just try and feel the magic of this release. Let it touch you on a primal level. There is much good in "13" and everyone deserves to soak it in. It could well be the last.
        Words of wisdom from a wise man...
        "Music is so sacred to me that I canít hear wishy-washy nonsense just played for the sake of selling records."
        R. Blackmore

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        • Just think, we've only heard HALF of the Recordings for 13!!! I can't wait to put everything together & do my own sequence!! Gimmie them other 8 tracks!! Another Album's worth!!

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          • Not that I want to start any further arguments on the 'Loudness' issue but if/when Mike X pops in he will be the best person to answer this question.

            Until then I think we should leave it well alone and carry on listening to Sabbath.

            I nearly gave in to temptation last night and nearly streamed the album, two notes in to EOTB and I turned it off........2 sleeps to go and I have my copy in my hand and on my phone

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            • Just to give an idea to everybody what Jeff and others are talking about here: Take a look at this picture . This is the intro of "End of the Beginning" - a 320 kbps mp3 version of it. As you can see inside the red circles, the sound waves look like they have been cut off; they are clearly clipping and much of the dynamics are inevitably lost. If the song hadn't been mastered so loud, those straight looking lines inside the circles would have looked more like smooth hills, but that all that sound data was lost in the mixing. How does this translate into music? Well, the "BOOMS, bashes, POPS, SLAMS, snaps, slaps, and THRASHES are partly replaced by distortion and not as loud and clear as they could have been, that is all. It is not the end of the world and it frankly doesn't bother me that much. But still, the song, and the drums in particular, would have sounded better if the instruments hadn't been brought up on such a high volume.
              Last edited by UnderTheSun; 06-04-2013, 06:45 PM.

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              • I think the point about compression, in this thread, goes to the fact that the topic has been raised by a couple people, and heard by the rest of us. The vast majority don't care, and don't want to be forced to care about something that doesn't bother or affect them. The people with compression concerns are in the minority, even if they are right. The rest of us are just trying to enjoy the album, and the moment, and don't care to hear about it anymore. It's not that people can't express their opinion, but stop forcing it on everyone else who doesn't share the concern. In turn, we won't try and force you to like the album. I, for one, want to enjoy this moment, and savor it, because I have waited 35 years for it. That is far too long to allow others to drag the experience down, based on something that only affects a few listeners here. I always speak honestly, and I would tell you if I thought the album is crap. It is not crap, and we should all try to celebrate the good in it.
                Last edited by Now in Darkness; 06-04-2013, 07:10 PM.
                Casting his shadow, weaving his spell, funny clothes, tinkling bell.

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                • Originally posted by Now in Darkness View Post
                  I think the point about compression, in this thread, goes to the fact that the topic has been raised by a couple people, and heard by the rest of us. The vast majority don't care, and don't want to be forced to care about something that doesn't bother or affect them. The people with compression concerns are in the minority, even if they are right. The rest of us are just trying to enjoy the album, and the moment, and don't care to hear about it anymore. It's not that people can't express their opinion, but stop forcing it on everyone else who doesn't share the concern. In turn, we won't try and force you to like the album. I, for one, want to enjoy this moment, and savor it, because I have waited 35 years for it. That is far too long to allow others to drag the experience down, based on something that only affects a few listeners here.
                  They should start their own thread on the subject, for the 1%ers... ha! Leave the rest of us to enjoying the album...your a wise ol' Owl Wizard...
                  "Music is so sacred to me that I canít hear wishy-washy nonsense just played for the sake of selling records."
                  R. Blackmore

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                  • Originally posted by Wicked Cricket View Post
                    They should start their own thread on the subject, for the 1%ers... ha! Leave the rest of us to enjoying the album...your a wise ol' Owl Wizard...
                    Thank-you. Right back at you with the wise old....compliment. I like all of these guys, even with their issues, but it's time to move on. The point has been made, to mostly unsympathetic ears.
                    Last edited by Now in Darkness; 06-04-2013, 07:18 PM.
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                    • Originally posted by UnderTheSun View Post
                      Just to give an idea to everybody what Jeff and others are talking about here: Take a look at this picture . This is the intro of "End of the Beginning" - a 320 kbps mp3 version of it. As you can see inside the red circles, the sound waves look like they have been cut off; they are clearly clipping and much of the dynamics are inevitably lost. If the song hadn't been mastered so loud, those straight looking lines inside the circles would have looked more like smooth hills, but that all that sound data was lost in the mixing. How does this translate into music? Well, the "BOOMS, bashes, POPS, SLAMS, snaps, slaps, and THRASHES are partly replaced by distortion and not as loud and clear as they could have been, that is all. It is not the end of the world and it frankly doesn't bother me that much. But still, the song, and the drums in particular, would have sounded better if the instruments hadn't been brought up on such a high volume.
                      Thx UTS, I waited 35 yrs for this... just kidding...
                      "Music is so sacred to me that I canít hear wishy-washy nonsense just played for the sake of selling records."
                      R. Blackmore

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                      • Originally posted by UnderTheSun View Post
                        Just to give an idea to everybody what Jeff and others are talking about here: Take a look at this picture . This is the intro of "End of the Beginning" - a 320 kbps mp3 version of it. As you can see inside the red circles, the sound waves look like they have been cut off; they are clearly clipping and much of the dynamics are inevitably lost. If the song hadn't been mastered so loud, those straight looking lines inside the circles would have looked more like smooth hills, but that all that sound data was lost in the mixing. How does this translate into music? Well, the "BOOMS, bashes, POPS, SLAMS, snaps, slaps, and THRASHES are partly replaced by distortion and not as loud and clear as they could have been, that is all. It is not the end of the world and it frankly doesn't bother me that much. But still, the song, and the drums in particular, would have sounded better if the instruments hadn't been brought up on such a high volume.
                        Thank you for taking the time to point this out, but man I really don't care, the new album sounds great, I love it. 35 yrs in the making we have a Black Sabbath album with the original frontman Ozzy Osbourne, how amazing is that? This album has made me feel like 16 again, an age that I was a full blown metal head, and got excited whenever Ozzy released a new album, now here is Sabbath with an album 35 years in the making, and people complaining about sound and Rick Rubin and Ozzy's singing and so forth.

                        Let's be grateful and not critical, I know you are just pointing something out, but this is a time to rejoice, Ozzy has found his way back home to Sabbath!!!!!!!
                        "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
                        "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
                        ________________________________________OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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                        • So I heard the album today.

                          If you consider that we had to wait 35 years to listen to another "original" Black Sabbath album, it is great. We should be grateful for having another new album and etc.

                          Now, I know I'm the minority here, but my overall feeling with 13 was... "meh". A couple REALLY good songs, a rubish single and a lot of good songs. If this was released by a new band it would be awesome, but since we are talking about Sabbath, "meh" it is.

                          I think what made me not to like this album too much is because is just more of the same. It's like a giant version of Psycho Man and Selling my Soul to me (again, not a bad thing). Since I'm a "Tony Martin fan boy" (many have called me that) and a recent Dio enthusiast, I think Sabbath closed itself in the closet, since with the other singers they had explored diferent horizons and brought diferent aspects to the sound.

                          Anyway, I will listen to it again for sure. It's better than some old Sabbath Albums (Forbidden, Dehumanizer, Cross Purposes, Technical Ecstasy), but I was kind of let down.

                          Just my 2c.
                          Can't you see what I see
                          You and I victims of Their word
                          As the master of power
                          Try to poison our world
                          ----- Eternal Idol ~ 1987

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                          • Originally posted by Now in Darkness View Post
                            I think the point about compression, in this thread, goes to the fact that the topic has been raised by a couple people, and heard by the rest of us. The vast majority don't care, and don't want to be forced to care about something that doesn't bother or affect them. The people with compression concerns are in the minority, even if they are right. The rest of us are just trying to enjoy the album, and the moment, and don't care to hear about it anymore. It's not that people can't express their opinion, but stop forcing it on everyone else who doesn't share the concern. In turn, we won't try and force you to like the album. I, for one, want to enjoy this moment, and savor it, because I have waited 35 years for it. That is far too long to allow others to drag the experience down, based on something that only affects a few listeners here. I always speak honestly, and I would tell you if I thought the album is crap. It is not crap, and we should all try to celebrate the good in it.
                            Well said!

                            So now we've gone from a few whining about Bill Ward to now it's about sound/compression issues?

                            Just stop already! Yes, yes- we get it. You're all geniuses and you've figured something out that the rest of us could never do. The album sounds perfect to me. I think those who want to cuss and discuss the sound issues should have their own thread that way they can go on and on in circles with each other and leave the rest of us alone.
                            "...live for today, tomorrow never comes..."

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                            • LMAO!!! right when you guys thought I was the agitator!

                              Thank you for taking the time to point this out, but man I really don't care, the new album sounds great, I love it. 35 yrs in the making we have a Black Sabbath album with the original frontman Ozzy Osbourne, how amazing is that? This album has made me feel like 16 again, an age that I was a full blown metal head, and got excited whenever Ozzy released a new album, now here is Sabbath with an album 35 years in the making, and people complaining about sound and Rick Rubin and Ozzy's singing and so forth.

                              Let's be grateful and not critical, I know you are just pointing something out, but this is a time to rejoice, Ozzy has found his way back home to Sabbath!!!!!!!
                              Agreed

                              Thank-you. Right back at you with the wise old....compliment. I like all of these guys, even with their issues, but it's time to move on. The point has been made, to mostly unsympathetic ears.
                              Agreed

                              I think the point about compression, in this thread, goes to the fact that the topic has been raised by a couple people, and heard by the rest of us. The vast majority don't care, and don't want to be forced to care about something that doesn't bother or affect them. The people with compression concerns are in the minority, even if they are right. The rest of us are just trying to enjoy the album, and the moment, and don't care to hear about it anymore.
                              Just think, we've only heard HALF of the Recordings for 13!!! I can't wait to put everything together & do my own sequence!! Gimmie them other 8 tracks!! Another Album's worth!!
                              Agreed

                              If 13 ends up being Sabbath's swansong then they are going out in style.
                              Agreed

                              Really like "dear father" ending
                              meaning that they are done
                              the last song of the last album ends exactly as the first song of the first album

                              fuckin perfect
                              Agreed

                              I could go on and on. Hopefully some of you that I've debated on other threads can understand where I'm coming from.

                              Cheers to what we've all been hoping for....the ultimate recording from three of the greatest artists to ever live

                              (and a kudos to Brad Wilk for doing something I can't imagine anyone else could've done)
                              Last edited by Tha Beast; 06-04-2013, 08:35 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by Tha Beast View Post
                                Agreed

                                I could go on and on. Hopefully some of you that I've debated on other threads can understand where I'm coming from.

                                Cheers to what we've all been hoping for....the ultimate recording from three of the greatest artists to ever live

                                (and a kudos to Brad Wilk for doing something I can't imagine anyone else could've done)
                                Dear Father and Zeitgeist are my favorite songs LOL
                                Can't you see what I see
                                You and I victims of Their word
                                As the master of power
                                Try to poison our world
                                ----- Eternal Idol ~ 1987

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