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  • zzzptm
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    Originally posted by Sabbabbath View Post
    You've got a point there, LOL.


    I picked him because, in spite of his off-stage BS, bands kept forming around him because he could put butts in seats and then get 'em shakin' all over. (Which was also a hit for him after it was a hit for Johnny Kidd and the Pirates. Taylor also got to be the backup "French Elvis" when Johnny Hallyday had to do his national service.)

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  • Sabbabbath
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    Originally posted by zzzptm View Post
    We get to see Ozzy mostly, but Bill Ward sure did clean up good back then. I'll agree that I like the cut of his jib and the sound of his town.
    ...and he wore a great sweater or long sleeve or whatever with those stars on it! Ozzy's also looking really sweet on the Brussels show, and so focused - check him out on Hand of Doom, this guy gives everything. I don't know if he was on drugs at the show - his facial expression and the way he stares remind me of people I have seen on speed -, but they definitely don't distract him.

    Originally posted by zzzptm View Post
    Geezer and Tony, though... hard to tell, since they've got heads down, hair obscuring most facial features for most of the glimpses we get of them.
    I agree, though I think that Geezer does have something about him if you look closer. Look how delicate his fingers look on close-ups.

    Originally posted by zzzptm View Post
    Looking at the California Jam, though, they don't look half bad.
    Absolutely. Ozzy and Bill have already loosened a bit since the Brussels show though. Cal Jam is the only time I ever see Tony without his mustache - it's so unfamiliar, LOL.

    Originally posted by zzzptm View Post
    But they're no Vince Taylor...

    Another face that, if I woke up one day looking like that, I wouldn't complain one little bitty bit.
    You've got a point there, LOL.

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  • OzzyIsDio
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    I remember Bunny Pink who was a regular female member, also fairies wear heels, they haven't been around in awhile.

    Tracette, still comes on once in a blue moon, and of course Lillith13, who has interviewed Bill Ward, she was on here a few days ago.

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  • zzzptm
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    Originally posted by Sabbabbath View Post
    Taste is definitely not a topic to fight about. Anyway, while I was wondering if I agree or disagree with your statement, it suddenly hit me that I feel Bill Ward in 1970 was 10 times more handsome than both Dickinson and Bon Jovi at any time. If you watch the Brussels aka Paris 1970 video, don't you think those are handsome guys?
    We get to see Ozzy mostly, but Bill Ward sure did clean up good back then. I'll agree that I like the cut of his jib and the sound of his town.

    Geezer and Tony, though... hard to tell, since they've got heads down, hair obscuring most facial features for most of the glimpses we get of them. Looking at the California Jam, though, they don't look half bad.

    But they're no Vince Taylor...



    Another face that, if I woke up one day looking like that, I wouldn't complain one little bitty bit.

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  • Sabbabbath
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    Originally posted by zzzptm View Post
    If I had a choice between waking up one day with Bruce Dickinson's face or Jon Bon Jovi's face, I'd take the Bon Jovi face, any day.
    Taste is definitely not a topic to fight about. Anyway, while I was wondering if I agree or disagree with your statement, it suddenly hit me that I feel Bill Ward in 1970 was 10 times more handsome than both Dickinson and Bon Jovi at any time. If you watch the Brussels aka Paris 1970 video, don't you think those are handsome guys?

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  • zzzptm
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    Originally posted by Axe fiend View Post
    Ray Gillen's presence in the band drew more of a female audience to the shows.
    Bingo. Cute guys means more females in the crowd, in general.

    I remember my wife-to-be and her best friend insisting that I go with them to a Bon Jovi concert back in 1987. Having seen Iron Maiden a few weeks prior, I was in ideal conditions to observe the difference in the crowds.

    Bon Jovi fans were definitely way more female... and way more pre-teen than the crowd for Iron Maiden.

    I can't disagree. If I had a choice between waking up one day with Bruce Dickinson's face or Jon Bon Jovi's face, I'd take the Bon Jovi face, any day.

    And while Dickinson shouted out all his "SCREAM FOR ME!!!" lines, the screaming was non-stop for Bon Jovi, thanks to all the lungpower in 11-year-old girls wearing t-shirts that touch the ground. You do NOT say "Scream for me!" to a teenybopper crowd if you want your eardrums to survive!

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  • Axe fiend
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    Originally posted by WallOfSleep View Post
    As a Sabbath-loving high school kid in the seventies, I didn't know any chicks who were into Sabbath. The perception I had was that the average Sabbath fan was a lot like me: kind of a loner, outsider, stoner, and male. Sabbath was definitely a 'dudes only' band in my neck of the woods.
    Kind of similar to my experience, but in the 80's. When I went to my first concert (Sabbath in '86), there were a few of us from high school who went to the show, and one of them was a female, and I assume she was into Sabbath the same reason I was, because of the music and because Sabbath had a little more substance than what it seemed everyone else (at high school) was into at the time. I'm sure I read somewhere, (but can't remember when or where or even who said it, Geoff or Tony?) that Ray Gillen's presence in the band drew more of a female audience to the shows, Don't know how true that is, I'll have to figure out where I read that. Actually I remember a few girls at high school being more into Thrash than Black Sabbath, as Sabbath was kind of considered old hat by many, back in the late 80's around my area.
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  • Sabbabbath
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    Originally posted by Jeff View Post
    Thanks for the personal insights but I think you're missing the actual topics at hand:

    It's about how or when this perception of Sabbath as "guy's band" came to be. And does it really have much credibility?

    It's just a topic for discussion. Not a suggested approach to dating.

    Ah, I was actually searching for something else and coincidentally stumbled across this old thread you recently mentioned, Jeff. Cool topic.

    Regarding your second question, I actually think that the opposition of "macho band" vs "chicks band" that was suggested somewhere earlier in this thread is misleading. Led Zeppelin were sex symbols for sure, definitely much more than Sabbath, but does that mean that Zeppelin (or their male fans) were not macho (or less macho than Sabbath)? Honestly, given what I have read about Led Zeppelin's relation to women (and even little girls), I don't think so! I think Sabbath were/are both less macho and less sex symbols than Zeppelin. But then again, the sex appeal of musicians is not the only reason why (some) women go to rock concerts of male bands. Some, like me, just love the music. When I started listening to Sabbath, I didn't even know how they looked really. I sometimes put on their music when I am with my friends, and the portion of women who initially like it is not really low. I think Sabbath's magic has always predominantly been based on their music, maybe combined with the dark lyrics and image. Anyway, it clearly attracts more men than women - nobody is disputing that. (At the Sabbath show feat. Tony Martin on vocals that I attended in 1995, there was probably about 20% women, most of them real metal-heads. Of course, some probably came for Tiamat rather than Sabbath, but then again, I don't think Tiamat are exactly sex symbols. :-D I never attended an Ozzy-Sabbath show, the 1995 gig is the only Sabbath concert experience I can draw on.)
    Last edited by Sabbabbath; 01-25-2018, 10:01 AM.

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  • mikesline
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    back in '76 my sister went with us ,but she took off and waited for us,because the devil's face on top of stage freaked her out.

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  • OzzyIsDio
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    Originally posted by Lillith13 View Post
    I am female and I love Black Sabbath! Even as far as going to interview both Bill Ward and Adam Wakeman for a radio show I host,even met Ozzy 2 times in recent years. And I spoke to Sean Yseult and she of course loves them too.

    I still have yet to see them in concert though(somehow I've always missed them),but I do listen to their albums occasionally,especially since I am a radio DJ. Other female metal DJ's at my station are more into modern thrash/black metal stuff,but I'm more into the classics like Sabbath.
    That is great to hear Lillith, ladies that are into Sabbath are always special.

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  • OZZYIRONMAN
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    Originally posted by Die Young View Post
    Its obviously [s]that they're twins[/s] black magic. Edit: Hmm i thought that stroketrough would work on this site, anyways you get the joke.
    Twinks? No they're bears

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  • Die Young
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    Its obviously [s]that they're twins[/s] black magic.

    Edit: Hmm i thought that stroketrough would work on this site, anyways you get the joke.

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  • princehollow
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    Originally posted by PTC View Post
    The guy on the left is saying "But you said you were wearing the blue shirt, we look stupid now. I'm glad no one will ever see this"
    lol They were probably arguing "Get out of here man go stand over on the other side!" "But this is a wicked view. You go stand over on the other side!"

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  • PTC
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    The guy on the left is saying "But you said you were wearing the blue shirt, we look stupid now. I'm glad no one will ever see this"

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  • KiloDeltaCharlie
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    Originally posted by princehollow View Post
    Thats trippy. It looks like a guy standing next to a mirror.
    Trippy? Sorry I thought everyone knew Monty Python word-for-word!

    You could be right about the mirror.

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