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  • Now in Darkness
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    Originally posted by KiloDeltaCharlie View Post
    Obviously there is "SabbathGirl93" (92?) and I believe "Die Young" is too ... and if I'm wrong I beg his forgiveness. I don;t think either has posted for a couple of months or more. There are one or two others I've wondered about.

    You should encourage Mrs NiD to get on the forum.
    Haha. That would be fun, but we already have enough to debate, like who's going to vacuum, do the laundry, walk the dog, etc.

    Also, there was Bunnypink and Ady, off the top of my head. Someone should link the "girl" thread that was started a while back. There were quite a few.

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  • KiloDeltaCharlie
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    Originally posted by Now in Darkness View Post
    There used to be quite a few, but they seem to be laying quite low since "13" was released.
    Obviously there is "SabbathGirl93" (92?) and I believe "Die Young" is too ... and if I'm wrong I beg his forgiveness. I don;t think either has posted for a couple of months or more. There are one or two others I've wondered about.

    You should encourage Mrs NiD to get on the forum.

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  • Now in Darkness
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    Originally posted by Shoopsy View Post
    Is there a single female on this forum?

    There used to be quite a few, but they seem to be laying quite low since "13" was released.

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  • Shoopsy
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    Is there a single female on this forum?

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  • Now in Darkness
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    Originally posted by HORRORHOLIC View Post
    I've been to many Ozzy/Sabbath shows, and each one had tons of girls. At the same time I know lots of girls who love Sabbath!!
    Ya, I agree. The Beatles are arguably the best and biggest band ever, and they certainly had a massive female following. By some people's standards here, the Beatles might even be called the ultimate chick band. If female interest in a band is somehow considered to be a bad thing, then I would suggest that there are some people out there with serious identity issues. It takes no effort to alienate a gender, or any other demographic, for that matter. It takes huge talent to speak to both genders and maintain their interest. Fortunately, the Sabbath shows that I have been to have been reflective of a very mixed demographic, including lots of chicks. Besides, what male Sabbath fan truly wants to be surrounded by a sweaty sausage fest? Are girls really that scary? I know my wife would agree, Sabbath is for all people who appreciate cool music, no matter what their gender.
    Last edited by Now in Darkness; 01-21-2014, 05:43 PM.

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  • HORRORHOLIC
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    I've been to many Ozzy/Sabbath shows, and each one had tons of girls. At the same time I know lots of girls who love Sabbath!!

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  • Billy Underdog
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    Originally posted by Jeff View Post
    The point is that you have people like Jimmy Norton or Henry Rollins describing Sabbath fans or what have you. And this might be funny or even true to some extent or during a certain time, but the overall impression of Sabbath is that they are almost exclusively a "guy's band." Then you watch something like the TV broadcast of Santa Monica '75 and there are girls everywhere. You listen to certain bootlegs and when they hit the stage girls are screaming. Things just totally at odds with this "perception."

    So I guess I was curious as to whether this perception came about because of the Dio-era, or because people just got lazy and never really researched Sabbath's appeal in the 70s and figured "heavy Metal" as it existed in the 80s was the way it was in the 70s?
    Originally posted by Jeff View Post
    Sabbath's music and following in the 70s was never that easy to pinpoint and never fit into some "box."
    I very much agree with that. Might be that Norton and Rollins, like me, was loosers who didn't get laid till far too late (might be? I meant ofcourse...) and therefore do in some ways resent the notion of a Sab-fan being something much more "mainstream". And in some ways that sentiment of being the loner freak Sab-fan is very true, hell it's been true almost up till this day, or atleast until Osbournes broke the waterfloods... But i also think that they in that mindframe of being excludes choose to ignore the mainstream audience Sabbath actually had in the "pre-Metal world"...

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  • Jeff
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    Originally posted by Wicked Cricket View Post
    People didn't "dress" in gay biker gear Jeff in those days... I know, I was there! That's an 80's thing, the queer black leather and studded arm bands, so "metal" LOL! The 70's was the real deal, the 80's was over eggagerated male macho and fantasy female masterbation wanking, just like most of the music!
    I'm well aware of this and that's my point. I think because of what "Heavy Metal" became that some people assume it was always like that with Sabbath. Maybe they see early photos of the guys in leather coats and looking "mean" and assume there were legions of metalheads attending Sabs shows back in the 70s. That what happened in the 80s was the way it was at Sabbath shows in the 70s. But this is an oversimplification at best and patently false at worst. Sabbath's music and following in the 70s was never that easy to pinpoint and never fit into some "box."

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  • Jeff
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    Originally posted by Wicked Cricket View Post
    They were never "sex symbols" fo rsure, but Ozzy was "cute" and chicks wanted to "mother" him... and once Tony got a real haircut, we saw a handsome guy under that former poodle cut...Zep was the chick band, with cock rocker Robert strutting his stuff (in very tight jeans) singing about lemon juice and giving her every inch of his love "all night long" .... The Stones had Mick, etc etc... but yea, back in the day, the 70's people didn't go to gigs in leather biker gear... that was an 80's thing... the gay underground brought to light by Judas Preist and the likes... yuk! I'm not sure w.t.h. this thread is about but Sabbath's sex appeal, if their was any was Ozzy...
    I think there's no doubt that whatever "sex appeal" Sabbath had was first and foremost about Ozzy. Although I think people judging some haircut Tony had as a way of ruling out his appeal to women are speaking for an entire sex; which I think is silly, but Ozzy was surely the guy who appealed to women, I should imagine.

    But this thread is getting a bit off course. Maybe I didn't illustrate my point well enough, but I can't imagine what could be that confusing about this thread. The point is that you have people like Jimmy Norton or Henry Rollins describing Sabbath fans or what have you. And this might be funny or even true to some extent or during a certain time, but the overall impression of Sabbath is that they are almost exclusively a "guy's band." Then you watch something like the TV broadcast of Santa Monica '75 and there are girls everywhere. You listen to certain bootlegs and when they hit the stage girls are screaming. Things just totally at odds with this "perception."

    So I guess I was curious as to whether this perception came about because of the Dio-era, or because people just got lazy and never really researched Sabbath's appeal in the 70s and figured "heavy Metal" as it existed in the 80s was the way it was in the 70s?

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  • Wicked Cricket
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    Originally posted by Jeff View Post
    This is part of the front row in Santa Monica, Sept. 4, 1975. Five songs from this show were broadcast on "Don Kirshner's Rock Concert." Notice not only females but the way people are dressed. Wouldn't standard rock history writers have you believe that everybody should be in leather?

    http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/t...psea96835c.jpg
    People didn't "dress" in gay biker gear Jeff in those days... I know, I was there! That's an 80's thing, the queer black leather and studded arm bands, so "metal" LOL! The 70's was the real deal, the 80's was over eggagerated male macho and fantasy female masterbation wanking, just like most of the music!

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  • Now in Darkness
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    Originally posted by Wicked Cricket View Post
    They were never "sex symbols" fo rsure, but Ozzy was "cute" and chicks wanted to "mother" him... and once Tony got a real haircut, we saw a handsome guy under that former poodle cut...Zep was the chick band, with cock rocker Robert strutting his stuff (in very tight jeans) singing about lemon juice and giving her every inch of his love "all night long" .... The Stones had Mick, etc etc... but yea, back in the day, the 70's people didn't go to gigs in leather biker gear... that was an 80's thing... the gay underground brought to light by Judas Preist and the likes... yuk! I'm not sure w.t.h. this thread is about but Sabbath's sex appeal, if their was any was Ozzy...
    Yup..........and I agree, this thread is on the bizarre side.
    Last edited by Now in Darkness; 01-20-2014, 07:21 AM.

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  • Wicked Cricket
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    They were never "sex symbols" fo rsure, but Ozzy was "cute" and chicks wanted to "mother" him... and once Tony got a real haircut, we saw a handsome guy under that former poodle cut...Zep was the chick band, with cock rocker Robert strutting his stuff (in very tight jeans) singing about lemon juice and giving her every inch of his love "all night long" .... The Stones had Mick, etc etc... but yea, back in the day, the 70's people didn't go to gigs in leather biker gear... that was an 80's thing... the gay underground brought to light by Judas Preist and the likes... yuk! I'm not sure w.t.h. this thread is about but Sabbath's sex appeal, if their was any was Ozzy...

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  • Jeff
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    Originally posted by sterling#sound View Post
    Never seen that pic before in the OP's post! Could you reveal the origin and when it was taken?
    Tuscon, Arizona 3-16-72

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  • WallOfSleep
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    As a Sabbath-loving high school kid in the seventies, I didn't know any chicks who were into Sabbath. The perception I had was that the average Sabbath fan was a lot like me: kind of a loner, outsider, stoner, and male. Sabbath was definitely a 'dudes only' band in my neck of the woods.

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  • Billy Underdog
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    Originally posted by princehollow View Post
    Exactly. This is why I try to distance myself from the metal crowd. Its all about the uniform. All these dudes trying to look the part but in effect they all look like sheep to me. I pretty much have to keep my love of metal secret these days because there is such a stigma that comes with it. Some people dismiss you because of it and others think that you are somehow some kind of crazy rock and roller and expect you to live up to it. And when around metal heads I never let on and only mention all the other kinds of music that I like. Some of these guys think you're only allowed to like metal. Boring.
    Seems like this is much more of an American problem. It really isn't like that over here at all. Ofcourse, your typical Leather & Patches-guy with long, black hair will get his looks from the outermost conservatives, but overall it's a bigger stigma looking like a late 60's/early 70's rocker with beard and hippieish clothes than a metal-head. Belive me, i know.
    The average metal-fan around here looks just like everybody else, with short hair and straight clothes.

    Like most of you guys here, i'd imagine...

    So going to a metal-show, esp. with some of the bigger names, those leather-&-patches guys are very much in minority. Partly because a big part of the crowd are straight-looking metal-fans, but also because a big part are the "in-kids".
    Last edited by Billy Underdog; 01-19-2014, 07:36 AM.

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