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  • black zeppelin
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    I knew Tony had the rights, but Ozzy sued so they must have settled on 50/50. Hard to believe that Tony only ended with 50%, but they had to agree so they could tour together and make a lot more money.

    As for the Stones I had read that Ronnie Wood was a pay to play player until Bill Wyman left and then they made him a full member.

    In Megadeth, Dave Ellefson is a pay to play player, but he says he's ok with it. He doesn't have the headaches and can just play.

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  • A Sabbath Historian
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    Originally posted by sellingmysoul View Post
    It just baffles me that Sharon said Geezer is a “ pay to play” musician for the band.. Geezer and Bill should say FU guys and record a few songs together with Dewey Bragg and Zack Wilde. It would be killer.

    Like Ala stated earlier, Geezer isn't a "partner" in Sabbath--- on paper that is. Hence, the "pay-for-play" comment.

    I do understand that context, however, I agree $haron is indeed a piece of shit!

    That said, "partner" or not, Geezer's contributions to the band remain intact. No contract can ever change that.

    As for new music, the four original members should be involved at this juncture if any future projects materialize. Black Sabbath marketed as a trio just doesn't cut it with me.



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  • sellingmysoul
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    It just baffles me that Sharon said Geezer is a “ pay to play” musician for the band.. Geezer and Bill should say FU guys and record a few songs together with Dewey Bragg and Zack Wilde. It would be killer.

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  • BACK TO EDEN
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    Originally posted by Wicked Cricket View Post
    Loudwire: Sharon Osbourne the wife of Sabbath singer and solo artist Ozzy Osbourne, has set the record straight on what portion of the outfit holds the rights to the classic metal moniker.

    "Ozzy and Tony own the name. Each 50%, Geezer and Bill don't. So it's Ozzy and Tony … and they are partners in Black Sabbath. Ozzy and Tony are equal. And, the other guys — it's kind of like pay-for-play." But that doesn't mean Ozzy, Iommi, Butler and Ward aren't on good terms with each other. Recently, Ward expressed interest in coming back should Sabbath reform. Perhaps in a nod to that direction, Iommi has tons of new material ready to record. As for Butler, he "wouldn't say never" to the opportunity.


    Ya , those numbers are not correct ....


    Further thoughts ,,, the unique 'one of a kind' greatness that is the original 4 , sets them apart from EVERY other "Just another band" .... Yet without the creative genius that is Tony Iommi , Fate and Circumstance - that is all Sabbath would have been - The best of the "Just another band" club , instead of what they became ,, and what they became is so much more.

    Iommi took Sabbath to levels never seen before - The highest quality historical music experience in existence today , yesterday or tomorrow .... could you imagine the palate of impeccable music at the fingertips of a brand new Sabbath fan today - WOW!

    ... Side thought - appearances of the original 4 on "The Sabbath 27" studio releases -

    Ozzy 11

    Ward 12

    - putting them both right in line with Geoff Nicholls with 12 studio album appearances.

    Geezer 17

    .... and obviously Iommi can be found on / in / breathing / IS "The Sabbath 27" !!

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  • nolanstolz
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    Didn't Tony buy out Bill's share of the band around 1984-ish when he was broke (homeless?)? I think I heard that somewhere once, but I don't recall where. Perhaps Tony and/or Ozzy did that with Geezer at some point as well?

    All four are still registered as songwriters with ASCAP in the catalog, so I would think Bill and Geezer must be getting some royalties. Unless it's something like Tony 24%, Ozzy 24%, Geezer 1%, Bill 1%, publisher 50%, where Tony and/or Ozzy bought out Geezer and Bill for a majority of them.

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  • LouiST
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    Bill and Geezer probably do gets the copyright royalties from the songs. They just maybe don't have the official right in reissuing/remixing the albums?

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  • Wicked Cricket
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    always liked the way Sabbath put Iommi/Osbourne/Butler/Ward on writing credits ... in reality it's Iommi/Butler who should get the most credit...

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  • Wicked Cricket
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    Originally posted by A Sabbath Historian View Post


    True WC. In this case though, there's a significant difference: Watts never left the band. Talk about reliable!

    As a founding member, this is one scenario where Charlie should definitely be a partner alongside Jagger and Richards, in my opinion.

    To this day, he's still one of the best timekeepers in the business!
    yea was thinking the same thing original member always can be counted on agree should be a 3 way split in some capacity

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  • A Sabbath Historian
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    Originally posted by Wicked Cricket View Post
    The Stones have a similar arrangement, Jagger/Richards own the name Woods Watts Darrel Jones are "pay to play"

    True WC. In this case though, there's a significant difference: Watts never left the band. Talk about reliable!

    As a founding member, this is one scenario where Charlie should definitely be a partner alongside Jagger and Richards, in my opinion.

    To this day, he's still one of the best timekeepers in the business!

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  • Wicked Cricket
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    The Stones have a similar arrangement, Jagger/Richards own the name Woods Watts Darrel Jones are "pay to play"

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  • Wicked Cricket
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    Originally posted by OzzyIsDio View Post

    I agree Geezer wrote all the songs with the original Sab Four, mostly all of them, no better lyricist than Geezer.
    yea its hard to think of Geezer as "pay to play" .."ah we need a lyracist, I hear this guy "Geezer" Butler is pretty good plays a decent bass too ... "

    I assume all the original band members get copy writes as in albums sold or if their songs are used in commercials, etc... they get a %???
    Last edited by Wicked Cricket; 08-12-2020, 09:23 AM.

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  • OzzyIsDio
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    Originally posted by sellingmysoul View Post
    It kind of sucks for Geezer though as he wrote many of those songs. Bill well has been in and out of the band so much.
    I agree Geezer wrote all the songs with the original Sab Four, mostly all of them, no better lyricist than Geezer.
    Last edited by OzzyIsDio; 08-11-2020, 05:44 PM.

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  • mikesline
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    Info made here by sharon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRFrdMCplPY&t=932s

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  • A Sabbath Historian
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    Originally posted by Ala View Post

    It's not a question of who should and who shouldn't. It's a question of business. Tony is the one who soldiered on through the years and kept the Sabbath name alive and Ozzy is the most recognizable and most famous member.

    Plus there's probably more stuff behind the scenes with deals being made and people selling their share of the brand than we know about. Kind of like in Kiss when Ace & Peter sold their characters to Gene & Paul.

    Good point Ala. Unfortunately, there was no way that the reunion was going to be a "partnership". However, they all knew that more money could be made together than apart.

    For Ozzy's part, he simply had more leverage (with the '98 reunion) because of his successful solo career. Had that not happened, Iommi would've likely had the "upper hand" in those negotiations, in my view.

    It brings to mind the verbiage in the May 2009 lawsuit that Ozzy filed against Tony. Paraphrasing here: Ozzy stated that he was "largely responsible" for the band's success during its original tenure. For that reason, he "deserved" 50% of the pie.

    In contrast, he also contended that Iommi exclusively took the Black Sabbath name "into the toilet" in the mid-80s. Without the reunion, it would've remained there in Ozzy's mind.



    I guess in short order, I disagree with Ozzy's overinflated sense of worth to the band's success. However, I absolutely agree the Black Sabbath name was indeed dragged through the mud during the years when Iommi was the only original member left.

    As a result, an (eventual) reunion of the original four was inevitable. Fairly or unfairly, rightly or wrongly.











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  • sellingmysoul
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    It kind of sucks for Geezer though as he wrote many of those songs. Bill well has been in and out of the band so much.

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