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  • #76
    Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

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    Let's face one fact:

    The Dio Era:

    Produced 1 grandoise album, another album that is not as good but still worth purchasing and one terrible live album.

    The Martin Era:
    Produced 4 remarkable studio albums, one decent album, one superb live album that is lightyears ahead of the Dio era one. And are we forgetting the most telling fact? There is no way Dio's voice, as excellent and important as it may be, could ever touch Tony Martin's.

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    To say Martin produced 4 remarkable albums is laughable at best I'd say, 1 (Eternal Idol)was a make do cut and paste job as Martin was not the intended vocalist, 2 (Headless Cross) bland album, 3 (TYR) Very Good Album, 4 (Cross Purposes) Ditto, The live album (Cross Purposes Live) Ditto, 5 (Forbidden) Forget It!.

    The Dio years produced all time classic Heaven And Hell, The Excellent Mob Rules, Live Evil was a good record of the time, Dehumanizer bland at best.

    Don't get me wrong I like Martin but he's not in the same league as Dio when it comes to lyrics and emotion.

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    • #77
      Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

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      Don't get me wrong I like Martin but he's not in the same league as Martin when it comes to lyrics and emotion.

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      Thst's true. Martin's voice, lyrics and emotion are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than Dio's.

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      • #78
        Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

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        Don't get me wrong I like Martin but he's not in the same league as Martin when it comes to lyrics and emotion.

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        Thst's true. Martin's voice, lyrics and emotion are WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than Dio's.

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        • #79
          Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

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          Don't get me wrong I like Martin but he's not in the same league as Dio when it comes to lyrics and emotion.

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          Hear! Hear! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
          The dog's name is Pete. If he tries to mount you in the middle of the night, say "no" sternly. But don't look him in the eye.

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          • #80
            Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

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            Don't get me wrong I like Martin but he's not in the same league as Dio when it comes to lyrics and emotion.

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            Yeah... Country Girl is really brilliant... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
            Can't you see what I see
            You and I victims of Their word
            As the master of power
            Try to poison our world
            ----- Eternal Idol ~ 1987

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            • #81
              Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

              That's just a bad example, man. Every Black Sabbath frontman has penned a few stinkers. I mean, Feels Good To Me, anyone? Songs like The Sign Of The Southern Cross and Dehumanizer in its entirety have awesome lyrics.

              Besides, even if some of Dio's lyrics are cheesy, he can make even the most corny stuff sound menacing. The guy can sing a cooking book and make it sound like Satan himself! Tony is a very good singer, but his way of singing (even on Forbidden) sounds very dated. Very 80's more specifically.

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              • #82
                Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

                imagine that...WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Albums that were released in the 80s sound like they were released in the 80s. That is truly unbelievable how on Earth TM managed to do that is beyond me.










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                "I want to tell you, yeah
                How Good It Feels
                Sleeping here with you tonight
                And that’s for real"
                -Sometimes I'm Happy 8/5/75

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                • #83
                  Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

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                  imagine that...WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Albums that were released in the 80s sound like they were released in the 80s. That is truly unbelievable how on Earth TM managed to do that is beyond me.










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                  Dude, this made me laught my whole body off! Truly!
                  Can't you see what I see
                  You and I victims of Their word
                  As the master of power
                  Try to poison our world
                  ----- Eternal Idol ~ 1987

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                  • #84
                    Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

                    that is something that really pisses me off [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
                    "I want to tell you, yeah
                    How Good It Feels
                    Sleeping here with you tonight
                    And that’s for real"
                    -Sometimes I'm Happy 8/5/75

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                    • #85
                      Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

                      Cant we just say that both are great singers, both have released very good material while in Sabbath as well as outside of the band?

                      I mean seriously, does it really matter who is better?
                      It seems that is where this thread has gone, a verses battle.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

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                        imagine that...WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Albums that were released in the 80s sound like they were released in the 80s. That is truly unbelievable how on Earth TM managed to do that is beyond me.

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                        You totally missed the point while trying to make me look like a retard.

                        Tyr (okay, that one can be excused since it's only from 1990), Cross Purposes and Forbidden were released in the 90's weren't they? And Tony Martin kept the same 80's voice on most of the tracks, making them sound very dated to me. At least Dio tried singing Dehumanizer differently, which ended up pretty good, in my opinion.

                        Again, I like the Tony Martin-stuff, so I really think you're being overly aggressive here. Most of the stuff just sounds very dated to me. I mean, this version of the band released more albums in the 90's than the 80's! And they're all drenched in synth strings and throaty operatic vocals!

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                        • #87
                          Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

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                          And Tony Martin kept the same 80's voice on most of the tracks, making them sound very dated to me.


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                          Well, please teach me to change my voice. I'd like to have a 1960s voice. Oh, and having a 3000's voice would be sooooo cool man. (I'm talking to you with my 1920's voice at this moment).



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                          At least Dio tried singing Dehumanizer differently, which ended up pretty good, in my opinion.


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                          Well, you said it. In your opinion. Many people (including me) absolutley HATE the way Dio "sings" (read, monotonly and trying to sound pissed and bad ass resulting in some very bored and uninspired effort) making Dehumanizer the absolutly worse Sabbath Album.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

                            Vad är det här för trams, El Lobo?
                            Vi vet ju allihopa att Dehumanizer är en kanonplatta [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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                            • #89
                              Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

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                              Tyr (okay, that one can be excused since it's only from 1990), Cross Purposes and Forbidden were released in the 90's weren't they? And Tony Martin kept the same 80's voice on most of the tracks, making them sound very dated to me. At least Dio tried singing Dehumanizer differently, which ended up pretty good, in my opinion.

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                              Just because it is a new decade singers have to change how they sound? Tony has no control over the changing of time. A lot of people who stumbled over Scary Dreams thought that is was a demo from the 70s which was 30 years later. While on the otherhand CP and Forbidden were 2 and 5 years later than it was "the 80s". He aswell as many other musicians is consisstent, now thats not to say he hasn't changed, but he has been pretty solid forever.

                              Look at Judas Priest. IMO Hell Bent For Leather sounds a ,ot ike Ram It Down, two songs separated by many many years and they both kick ass.

                              Perhaps the reason Dio didn't sing on Dehumanizer the way he did on H&H or The Mob Rules is because he couldn't sing that way anymore. He had used that type of singing in his solo stuff before Dehumanizer.
                              "I want to tell you, yeah
                              How Good It Feels
                              Sleeping here with you tonight
                              And that’s for real"
                              -Sometimes I'm Happy 8/5/75

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                              • #90
                                Re: Tony Martin's attitude towards Dio.

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                                And Tony Martin kept the same 80's voice on most of the tracks, making them sound very dated to me.


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                                Well, please teach me to change my voice. I'd like to have a 1960s voice. Oh, and having a 3000's voice would be sooooo cool man. (I'm talking to you with my 1920's voice at this moment).

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                                It was early morning, okay? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] This is easy to misread when I look at it now. What I meant was obviously his singing voice. His way of singing hasn't really dated well. Calling it an "80's" way of singing might sound silly to you, but Martin did keep the same way of singing. He does have a good voice range, so it wouldn't have been impossible for him to try out something new once in a while. What I'm trying to say is that out of all of the Sabbath singers, I don't think Martin's singing has dated very good.

                                As for Dehumanizer, well, to each his own. I'm glad I remembered the "in my opinion", cause that seems to be the problem about these discussions - most of us (probably myself included) end up being quite self-righteous or at least looking like that. I happen to enjoy the album (and Dio's singing) a lot - it's one of my favourites.

                                All in all, I'm just tired to see people defending Martin no matter what. I like a lot of the stuff he did with Sabbath and I think he deserves as much a fanbase as Ozzy and Dio, but the guy wasn't as perfect like many people make him. None of them were!

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