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  • Originally posted by DiosSword View Post
    Well, the bone-dry production certainly doesn't do it any favours in terms of being "wimpy and limpwristed."

    It certainly doesn't have their best songwriting but a few of the songs I find to be really good - production aside.

    Again, I think they were trying too hard to be "too '90s" instead of being themselves.

    Having Ice-T as a "guest rapper" (trying to do an Aerosmith) was very misguided.

    I read where Brian May told Tony Iommi it sounded like Soundgarden and Iommi flipped out.
    Again, its not the production. Its the reliance on synths, the overtly melodic, singsongy songwriting. The songwritings just bad.

    Also Ice T was not the worst thing on the album, in fact Illusion of Power was the sole highlight of the album
    Black metal > Whatever you like, sorry. *shrugs*

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    • Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Scruggs View Post
      Again, its not the production. Its the reliance on synths, the overtly melodic, singsongy songwriting. The songwritings just bad.

      Also Ice T was not the worst thing on the album, in fact Illusion of Power was the sole highlight of the album
      I knew you had the wrong band and album ,, because Forbidden is absolutely FANTASTIC from start to finish ,,, and you seem like you have a head on your shoulders outside of "the black metal" thought process .... a "reliance on synths" does not exist on this brilliant album , so I believe you just mixed up your bands .... God Bless

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      • Originally posted by BACK TO EDEN View Post
        I knew you had the wrong band and album ,, because Forbidden is absolutely FANTASTIC from start to finish ,,, and you seem like you have a head on your shoulders outside of "the black metal" thought process .... a "reliance on synths" does not exist on this brilliant album , so I believe you just mixed up your bands .... God Bless
        There isn't much synthesiser at all on Forbidden. As I've said I think they were trying to tap too much into the '90s sound, which didn't rely at all on synths.

        I don't like rap and to me I think of Ice-T as an actor on "Law And Order: Special Victims Unit."
        He is not here. He has risen!

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        • Originally posted by BACK TO EDEN View Post
          I knew you had the wrong band and album ,, because Forbidden is absolutely FANTASTIC from start to finish ,,, and you seem like you have a head on your shoulders outside of "the black metal" thought process .... a "reliance on synths" does not exist on this brilliant album , so I believe you just mixed up your bands .... God Bless
          No, I meant what I said. Forbidden is D-Tier music at best. Bland and forgettable. The penny ramen of music.

          Also black metal is good.
          Black metal > Whatever you like, sorry. *shrugs*

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          • Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Scruggs View Post
            No, I meant what I said. Forbidden is D-Tier music at best. Bland and forgettable. The penny ramen of music.
            So I take it Forbidden is not on your "must-spin" list?
            He is not here. He has risen!

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            • Ill listen to Illusion of Power but thats it. Only because musically it reminds me of Master of Reality or Paranoid.
              Black metal > Whatever you like, sorry. *shrugs*

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              • Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Scruggs View Post
                No, I meant what I said. Forbidden is D-Tier music at best. Bland and forgettable. The penny ramen of music.

                Also black metal is good.
                We're all entitled to our opinions Buffalo Bill, and I respect yours, It took me awhile to get into the Martin/Sabbath material.

                Black Metal I could never get into.
                "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
                "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
                ________________________________________OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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                • Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Scruggs View Post
                  Again, its not the production. Its the reliance on synths, the overtly melodic, singsongy songwriting. The songwritings just bad.

                  Also Ice T was not the worst thing on the album, in fact Illusion of Power was the sole highlight of the album
                  I find your comment interesting in light of the fact that Iommi was reportedly looking to go back to his 70s style of riff writing on 'Forbidden' and I feel that to some extent he did, albeit his songwriting was still reminiscent of the Martin era. I wonder if the songs would have taken a deeper turn back to that era had Geezer and Bill stayed on board. With that said, I also find some tracks here (mainly 'Illusion' and 'Loser Gets It All') to have a sound reminiscent of that on MoR.

                  And for what its worth, my feelings on black metal are for another thread.

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                  • With all this talk of it being reminiscent of the 70s output I'm going to have to dig this album out once again and give it yet another go.

                    It has failed to do much for me since it came out in 95.

                    I'd describe it as very tired sounding, found it a real letdown after Cross Purposes, which I think was a convincing Black Sabbath album not seen since Born Again (and Dehumanizer)

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                    • Originally posted by Wheels Of Confusion View Post
                      With all this talk of it being reminiscent of the 70s output I'm going to have to dig this album out once again and give it yet another go.

                      It has failed to do much for me since it came out in 95.

                      I'd describe it as very tired sounding, found it a real letdown after Cross Purposes, which I think was a convincing Black Sabbath album not seen since Born Again (and Dehumanizer)
                      Wheels have you given Forbidden another spin?
                      "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
                      "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
                      ________________________________________OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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                      • Originally posted by OzzyIsDio View Post
                        Wheels have you given Forbidden another spin?
                        Sorry mate, not yet.

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                        • Originally posted by Wheels Of Confusion View Post
                          Sorry mate, not yet.
                          Go in open minded , think of the state of their existence at the time of recording .... and then think of what they actually pulled off ....

                          1. "The Illusion of Power" - Fantastic track! Brilliant riff ....

                          2. "Get a Grip" - Incredible flow ,, such a compelling kick in at the end of Illusion ....

                          3. "Can't Get Close Enough" - Total Sab!!

                          4. "Shaking Off the Chains" - Again , incredible riffing! Love the drums , bass and vocals .... love!

                          5. "I Won't Cry for You" - One of the best vocal tracks in Sab's history ....

                          6. "Guilty as Hell" - Great track ...

                          7. "Sick and Tired" - Solo straight from 75/76 !

                          8. "Rusty Angels" - In it's own way , one of Black Sabbath's finest moments EVER! ... Tony Martin nails that mid section - My goodness ,, and what a friggin solo!

                          9. "Forbidden" - Chorus is just too good , beautiful ...

                          10. "Kiss of Death" - MASTERPIECE , the 5th best closing track Sabbath ever wrote ...

                          11. "Loser Gets It All - Excellent riff! Fantastic drumming ...

                          .... NM bass on this album is gorgeously played.


                          @Wheels , looking forward to your thoughts ,, Forbidden is a very raw thrown together offering , reminiscent of Sabbath's Debut in "idea" and "scenario" ...

                          ENJOY!

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                          • The Illusion Of Power never gets old, such a good song \m/

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                            • Originally posted by Wheels Of Confusion View Post
                              Sorry mate, not yet.
                              I know it's not at the top of your priority list, but when you do listen to it, let us know your thoughts on it, if they have changed.
                              "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
                              "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
                              ________________________________________OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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                              • I'm curious about the difference of the remixed version of this album. The sound is a bit thin on Forbidden, espescially the drum sound is not so heavy but, comparing to the full-of-reverb drum sound on Headless Cross for example, the sound is more natural and not so dated while on Headless Cross, it smells like 80's spirit.

                                I cannot imagine how different will it sound after the remix but, i don't have any problem with the sound to be honest. Indeed, the things are natural, not so many chorusy stuff on vocals, it feels more natural without many studio effects.

                                And songwise, is not so bad either. The "Rap Sabbath" term is pure bullsh*t and it was one of the reasons why this album tanked on sales.

                                It is a great album, i'm waiting for the remixed version. Until then, lets enjoy the existing one.....

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