With all this talk of it being reminiscent of the 70s output I'm going to have to dig this album out once again and give it yet another go.
It has failed to do much for me since it came out in 95.
I'd describe it as very tired sounding, found it a real letdown after Cross Purposes, which I think was a convincing Black Sabbath album not seen since Born Again (and Dehumanizer)
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Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Scruggs View PostAgain, its not the production. Its the reliance on synths, the overtly melodic, singsongy songwriting. The songwritings just bad.
Also Ice T was not the worst thing on the album, in fact Illusion of Power was the sole highlight of the album
And for what its worth, my feelings on black metal are for another thread.
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Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Scruggs View PostNo, I meant what I said. Forbidden is D-Tier music at best. Bland and forgettable. The penny ramen of music.
Also black metal is good.
Black Metal I could never get into.
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Ill listen to Illusion of Power but thats it. Only because musically it reminds me of Master of Reality or Paranoid.
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Originally posted by BACK TO EDEN View PostI knew you had the wrong band and album ,, because Forbidden is absolutely FANTASTIC from start to finish ,,, and you seem like you have a head on your shoulders outside of "the black metal" thought process .... a "reliance on synths" does not exist on this brilliant album , so I believe you just mixed up your bands .... God Bless
Also black metal is good.
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Originally posted by BACK TO EDEN View PostI knew you had the wrong band and album ,, because Forbidden is absolutely FANTASTIC from start to finish ,,, and you seem like you have a head on your shoulders outside of "the black metal" thought process .... a "reliance on synths" does not exist on this brilliant album , so I believe you just mixed up your bands .... God Bless
I don't like rap and to me I think of Ice-T as an actor on "Law And Order: Special Victims Unit."
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Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Scruggs View PostAgain, its not the production. Its the reliance on synths, the overtly melodic, singsongy songwriting. The songwritings just bad.
Also Ice T was not the worst thing on the album, in fact Illusion of Power was the sole highlight of the album
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Originally posted by DiosSword View PostWell, the bone-dry production certainly doesn't do it any favours in terms of being "wimpy and limpwristed."
It certainly doesn't have their best songwriting but a few of the songs I find to be really good - production aside.
Again, I think they were trying too hard to be "too '90s" instead of being themselves.
Having Ice-T as a "guest rapper" (trying to do an Aerosmith) was very misguided.
I read where Brian May told Tony Iommi it sounded like Soundgarden and Iommi flipped out.
Also Ice T was not the worst thing on the album, in fact Illusion of Power was the sole highlight of the album
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Originally posted by DiosSword View PostWell, the bone-dry production certainly doesn't do it any favours in terms of being "wimpy and limpwristed."
It certainly doesn't have their best songwriting but a few of the songs I find to be really good - production aside.
Again, I think they were trying too hard to be "too '90s" instead of being themselves.
Having Ice-T as a "guest rapper" (trying to do an Aerosmith) was very misguided.
I read where Brian May told Tony Iommi it sounded like Soundgarden and Iommi flipped out.
In the beginning I didn't much care for Ice-T being on the album, perhaps it was my prejudice towards Rap music, which I still loathe, but like Ice-T as a participant on the song Illusion of Power.
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Well, the bone-dry production certainly doesn't do it any favours in terms of being "wimpy and limpwristed."
It certainly doesn't have their best songwriting but a few of the songs I find to be really good - production aside.
Again, I think they were trying too hard to be "too '90s" instead of being themselves.
Having Ice-T as a "guest rapper" (trying to do an Aerosmith) was very misguided.
I read where Brian May told Tony Iommi it sounded like Soundgarden and Iommi flipped out.
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Originally posted by DiosSword View PostWhat is "bad" about it then?
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Originally posted by DiosSword View Post^^You're not that far from me. I'm in Port Huron.
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I think it's bottom 3 with 7th Star and Born Again.
Between these 3, "Born Again" has the best single track (Zero the Hero) and the most original members if that counts for anything, makes it more "legit"
But for my money, "Forbidden" has the best Singer with most longevity compared to the other two...being a part of a solid "Era" rather than a flash in the pan, band-aid solution adds legitimacy.
Further, "Forbidden" lacks a strong, dominating track however has maybe the highest count of "hey, not bad..." versus filler or off-brand material. If you assigned point value for this it would probably end up sniping the "strong track" impact of ZtH thus taking Born Again down further.
Forbidden, then, is the best of the worst of a band whose ass resides at most other bands face level, if you get my meaning.
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