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  • Re: Forbidden, was it THAT bad???

    Yes, yes it was.
    It sold bad.
    Sounded bad and had no direction.
    Would have been better to have had Glenn on vocals and a solo cd.

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    • Re: Forbidden, was it THAT bad???

      Originally Posted By: KeepItWarm
      Although one of their weaker moments it is a good album that's worth having. "Forbidden" is certainly better than NSD or TE.
      Very true.

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      • Re: Forbidden, was it THAT bad???

        Not true,
        NSD and TE are not bad!

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        • Re: Forbidden, was it THAT bad???

          Originally Posted By: Cooper Yes, yes it was.
          It sold bad.
          Sounded bad and had no direction.
          Would have been better to have had Glenn on vocals and a solo cd.
          Had no direction? It did indeed have direction, maybe not that direction you liked however.

          It was a definite more gritty and raw album.

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          • Re: Forbidden, was it THAT bad???

            The Illusion Of Power is my favourite song on the album, doomy and evil. The Ice T part fits perfectly in the song, and I'm the bigges rap hater in the world...But this is not rap at all.

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            • Re: Forbidden, was it THAT bad???

              "Forbidden" was the first Black Sabbath studio album I ever owned. I bought it for full price on cassette back in 1996 from a large music store. I knew a little bit about the band and had one of the original greatest hits albums from the Ozzy era. However, I wasn't too familiar with the later day lineups. As a result, I had no idea who was singing for Black Sabbath back when it came out, in 1995, I just knew it wasn't Ozzy.

              Why did I buy it? I tended to buy a lot of metal albums back then based on the cover art. That and I happened to be very curious about Black Sabbath. It wasn't the first time I saw that copy of "Forbidden." I'd been to the same music store a few months before and saw it then. I thought about getting it at the time but passed. When I got the chance to go back a second time, I made sure I picked it up that time.

              For its faults, "Forbidden" did prompt me to pick up some of Sabbath's back catalog, primarily the Tony Martin releases and "Seventh Star." So I ended up becoming at least a casual Black Sabbath fan on account of that album. The first time I listened to it was in the car of my best friend from high school. He had a tape deck and we tossed it on five minutes after I came out of the music store with the tape in a bag. We got through three songs and it was different than I expected, particularly "The Illusion of Power" but it was still very good.

              Not to single out Ozzy, but I could almost picture him recording a song like "The Illusion of Power", using a rap metal guy (or even a regular metal guy) in the same role that Ice T played, and then putting it on one of his solo albums or a movie soundtrack.

              I enjoy "Forbidden" quite a bit and have since gotten it on cd. The production isn't great, which everyone else has already stated. Still, I have enough metal albums in my collection that are no better produced than "Forbidden." I've heard a lot worse from bands that have had success. For example, anyone who has ever heard of the US band L.A. Guns may recall an album of theirs from 1999 called "Shrinking Violet" which came out on a small label. Ex-Guns N' Roses guitarist Gilby Clarke produced that one and anyone who has heard it will vouch that it has far worse production than "Forbidden."

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              • Re: Forbidden, was it THAT bad???

                Just got my copy a few days ago.

                It's not as bad as everyone says it is...

                It's Worse!!!

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                • Re: Forbidden, was it THAT bad???

                  Wow, this really is an endless forum...

                  Umm, a few things... Forbidden really and truely is musicially genious. When it comes to Sabbath, like many other bands who've had a lot of staying power, like Kiss, Fleetwood Mac, Judas Priest, etc., you just have to look at each album as a completely new work of art, and not base it off the previous work.

                  When was the last time you heard someone comparing the Mona Lisa to the Last Supper? That's right, you've probably NEVER heard anyone do that, even though they're by the same artist... Why? Because both are utterly genious in and of themselves and in their own right.

                  That being said, why are people bashing Forbidden? It is an absolutely fantastic album! If you want to compare it to anything, then it most closely compares to Reunion. Forbidden defined Tony Iommi's guitar sound and playing style from that point forward, as has been heard on all his solo albums and all the Black Sabbath live shows since, and I've heard no complaints about any of those things!

                  Perhaps it was mearly ahead of it's time? The guitars are 110%... the drums are at f*cking 300%!!!... Finally, they keyboards and ambient noise are not over-powering... The bass is heavy... and the vocals are probably some of Tony Martin's very best in his career! He finally let down his massive hair-do in favour of a more metal one, and sang the songs with more soul and feeling, as opposed to his more 80's hair-band type style of his previous efforts!

                  All things being said, I feel it was a fantastic album... One that perhaps just didn't have a place in 1995. Really, it's not much different at all than Tony's solo work since, and Sabbath fans seem to laud those albums... And, honestly, it's better than those albums! Perhaps it was just because it was called Black Sabbath...

                  Long story short, I encourage anyone and everyone to listen to this album... If you've done it before, then do it again, and think of it this way... The title of the album is still Forbidden, but it's by a band called THE BOYS IN THE SHED, and we'll just pretend that all the musicians on it are completely unknonwn... and we're gonna have a flashback to 1995, when all the grunge, pop, and rap culture needed a swift kick to the balls... and we're all going to fall madly in love with this record!!!

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                  • Re: Forbidden, was it THAT bad???

                    Well said!!

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                    • Re: Forbidden, was it THAT bad???

                      Get a grip rocks.

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                      • Itís not bad at all, I love this album, Martinís finest.
                        "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
                        "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
                        ________________________________________OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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                        • Originally posted by Crachette View Post
                          Wow, this really is an endless forum...

                          Umm, a few things... Forbidden really and truely is musicially genious. When it comes to Sabbath, like many other bands who've had a lot of staying power, like Kiss, Fleetwood Mac, Judas Priest, etc., you just have to look at each album as a completely new work of art, and not base it off the previous work.

                          When was the last time you heard someone comparing the Mona Lisa to the Last Supper? That's right, you've probably NEVER heard anyone do that, even though they're by the same artist... Why? Because both are utterly genious in and of themselves and in their own right.

                          That being said, why are people bashing Forbidden? It is an absolutely fantastic album! If you want to compare it to anything, then it most closely compares to Reunion. Forbidden defined Tony Iommi's guitar sound and playing style from that point forward, as has been heard on all his solo albums and all the Black Sabbath live shows since, and I've heard no complaints about any of those things!

                          Perhaps it was mearly ahead of it's time? The guitars are 110%... the drums are at f*cking 300%!!!... Finally, they keyboards and ambient noise are not over-powering... The bass is heavy... and the vocals are probably some of Tony Martin's very best in his career! He finally let down his massive hair-do in favour of a more metal one, and sang the songs with more soul and feeling, as opposed to his more 80's hair-band type style of his previous efforts!

                          All things being said, I feel it was a fantastic album... One that perhaps just didn't have a place in 1995. Really, it's not much different at all than Tony's solo work since, and Sabbath fans seem to laud those albums... And, honestly, it's better than those albums! Perhaps it was just because it was called Black Sabbath...

                          Long story short, I encourage anyone and everyone to listen to this album... If you've done it before, then do it again, and think of it this way... The title of the album is still Forbidden, but it's by a band called THE BOYS IN THE SHED, and we'll just pretend that all the musicians on it are completely unknonwn... and we're gonna have a flashback to 1995, when all the grunge, pop, and rap culture needed a swift kick to the balls... and we're all going to fall madly in love with this record!!!
                          This right here. ^^^^
                          "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
                          "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
                          ________________________________________OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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                          • It is not a bad album. Okay, it doesn't belong in the Top Sabbath albums list but it is not a bad either. Sure, it could be better (a more punchy and edgy production would give a different perspective to this work and this is the reason i wait its BLOODY REMIX!!, Martin's performance could be better) but it is not bad even with those "cons". I think it is the same occasion as the NSD album. The band's line up at both of the periods those two albums were produced, was in trouble in terms of relationship between the band's members. This, resulted to albums with a different music style comparing to other works. As a friend said in this topic, you have to see every work as a standalone and you don't have to compare it with other work because as you know it, Black Sabbath, are having a different music style from work to work so it is unfair to compare an album with a previous one because, its difficult to produce the same album Again and again (Neon Knights comes to mind ).

                            I like the Forbidden album because, the music style is evolved to a more modern appeal and the songs are great (the guitar solo at "Sick and tired" is AWESOME).

                            As i said in other topics, it is difficult to find a really bad Sabbath album because every album is having its moments. I think it is interesting to hear the band we like to try a different music style in order to avoid tiring their selves and the fans...
                            Last edited by tsimisde; 06-26-2018, 03:09 AM.

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                            • The production is not good. Nine out of ten songs (Illusion Of Power, I'm looking at you) are good to great. I've always enjoyed the album and will continue to for years, especially if a remix comes to pass. Cozy's drums need some serious attention.

                              Shaking Off The Chains could have been on Volume 4 and I Won't Cry For You might have been a radio hit if it were released as a single. I'm also very partial to Can't Get Close Enough, Rusty Angels and the mighty Kiss Of Death.

                              I wonder if people have been conditioned, or at least encouraged, to dislike the album because both the Tonys have said they're not fond of it? There's a lot of monkey-see-monkey-do in fandoms and it's often easier to follow the party line than to judge something for ourselves.

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                              • Originally posted by tsimisde View Post
                                It is not a bad album. Okay, it doesn't belong in the Top Sabbath albums list but it is not a bad either. Sure, it could be better (a more punchy and edgy production would give a different perspective to this work and this is the reason i wait its BLOODY REMIX!!, Martin's performance could be better) but it is not bad even with those "cons". I think it is the same occasion as the NSD album. The band's line up at both of the periods those two albums were produced, was in trouble in terms of relationship between the band's members. This, resulted to albums with a different music style comparing to other works. As a friend said in this topic, you have to see every work as a standalone and you don't have to compare it with other work because as you know it, Black Sabbath, are having a different music style from work to work so it is unfair to compare an album with a previous one because, its difficult to produce the same album Again and again (Neon Knights comes to mind ).

                                I like the Forbidden album because, the music style is evolved to a more modern appeal and the songs are great (the guitar solo at "Sick and tired" is AWESOME).

                                As i said in other topics, it is difficult to find a really bad Sabbath album because every album is having its moments. I think it is interesting to heat the band we like to try a different music style in order to avoid tiring their selves and the fans...
                                Originally posted by sabbathstone View Post
                                The production is not good. Nine out of ten songs (Illusion Of Power, I'm looking at you) are good to great. I've always enjoyed the album and will continue to for years, especially if a remix comes to pass. Cozy's drums need some serious attention.

                                Shaking Off The Chains could have been on Volume 4 and I Won't Cry For You might have been a radio hit if it were released as a single. I'm also very partial to Can't Get Close Enough, Rusty Angels and the mighty Kiss Of Death.

                                I wonder if people have been conditioned, or at least encouraged, to dislike the album because both the Tonys have said they're not fond of it? There's a lot of monkey-see-monkey-do in fandoms and it's often easier to follow the party line than to judge something for ourselves.
                                Both great posts .
                                "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
                                "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
                                ________________________________________OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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