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  • "Gay Metalheads" - Are You One, and Who Supports Us?

    I have no idea if this will be removed for being political... I believe LGBT rights span beyond mere politics. The reason I write this is because of an article I read about Dave Mustaine. I've known for a while he's not gay-friendly, but his stupidity in this article annoyed me:

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_N...Hes_Christian/

    I've had it up to here with this stigma that heavy metal is homophobic music. Ignoring the obvious example of Halford in Priest, I'm sure metal is accepting of all people once people look past the dickheads on Blabbermouth and a few well-published incidents of homophobia from a handful of performers. I'd just like to know if anyone on here is like me (loves heavy metal and getting romantic with the same sex), and if anyone other than Halford has spoken up positively for metal's LGBT fans. What did Dio have to say about the issue? The other Black Sabbath guys? Not that I need my favorite artists to verify that I'm not in the wrong for loving who I love, but it'd be nice to not have to tolerate anymore disappointments. Whether or not Mustaine likes it, some of his music helped me out during the tough times I had coming out.

    So yeah. Just putting that out there.
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  • #2
    no

    give the gays the rights they want (the legal part of marrage) but dont give them relegious marrage because that is against god , why do they want to get married so much anyways if it aint for relegion?
    Still I wonder what its like to be loved, instead of hiding in myself...

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    • #3
      As a christian myself, i don't take Mustaines christianity too serious. One of the most important things in christianity to me is "Judge not", and Mustaine is pretty damn good at judging left and right.

      There's a Norwegian book about Black Metal where the writer quotes something he heard in the audience at a Gorgoroth-show (former vocalist Gaahl made a big uproar when he came out of the closet):
      Kid 1: "You know the vocalist is gay, don't you?"
      Kid 2: "So? That's pretty heathen, ain't it?"

      I always thought that was a cute quote.

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      Originally posted by Die Young View Post
      but dont give them relegious marrage because that is against god , why do they want to get married so much anyways if it aint for relegion?
      I resent that. How is religious marriage against God in any way? (I had to delete four lines here, as it was turning into a religious discussion).
      But i have to say, people who say religious marriage of gay people is against god, have completely misunderstood religion.

      One of my very best friends are gay, and i tell you, he's more bad-ass (pun not intended ) than most of you.

      I support you 100% Hellish!
      Last edited by Billy Underdog; 02-23-2012, 05:51 AM.
      95% of everything i say is pure bullshit just for the fun of it. The other 95% is damn serious!
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Billy Underdog View Post
        But i have to say, people who say religious marriage of gay people is against god, have completely misunderstood religion.
        See in comunist times instead of marrage the evil goverment had "citizen deeds" which is basicly an unrelegios marrage in a town hall by some deskworm instead of a priest in a church, why not give them that? BTW the communist goverment sent gays and pritty much everyone to Consentration camps.Could go there for listening to western music too Oo
        Still I wonder what its like to be loved, instead of hiding in myself...

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        • #5
          Like it or not, this thread is fraught with both religious and political overtones so we'll see if it survives. But as long as it is here, my two cents:

          It amazes me how some people are so concerned with how others live their personal lives. Being concerned about whether your neighbor is selling crack to teenagers is one thing, for that action harms other people. Who exactly is harmed by consensual sex between adults? There is the argument that Christians are concerned about the soul of the "offender", but in many cases it just seems like good old fashioned prejudice.

          As far as the metal community, to me it does appear a zealous celebration of all things stereo-typically masculine so I can see why homosexuality and metal sort of seem at odds. This is a simplification, yes, a general feel I guess, but as an emblem think of the colors associated with metal: black, dark shades of red, deep shades of purple, whereas gay colors are pink and all colors of the rainbow. Metalheads "dance" by standing in one place banging their heads, or slamming into one another in a pit, while gay folk are supposedly flamboyant, doing pirrhouettes, swaying their hips in languid sultry movements. On the other hand, metal definitely has an undercurrent of male bonding. It is rare that songs are about personal relationships, and when females are mentioned it usually involves an "evil woman" of some kind, some heartless vamp with huge boobs, hookers, that kind of thing. In that way, metal seems like a perfect fit for gays, just as long as they leave their rainbow colored shirts and skinny jeans at home.

          Of course, all of that crap is just a collection of stereotypes, there is no reason why gays have to wear pink and tra-la-la about. Sexual preference is just that, a sexual preference, and really has nothing to do with fashion sense, and even less to do with music preference. I'm straight myself, but good for you.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Die Young View Post
            See in comunist times instead of marrage the evil goverment had "citizen deeds" which is basicly an unrelegios marrage in a town hall by some deskworm instead of a priest in a church, why not give them that? BTW the communist goverment sent gays and pritty much everyone to Consentration camps.Could go there for listening to western music too Oo
            Secular marriage (like in a town hall) isn't something that existed only in communism, i guess pretty much every country has that.

            But what if the gay couple are, say, christians, and want to get married in the church according to their faith? Why should'nt they be allowed to do that?
            95% of everything i say is pure bullshit just for the fun of it. The other 95% is damn serious!
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Die Young View Post
              no

              give the gays the rights they want (the legal part of marrage) but dont give them relegious marrage because that is against god , why do they want to get married so much anyways if it aint for relegion?
              This isn't about religious marriage, it's about the government recognizing the union. It's about same sex partners being able to be claimed on each other's insurance, it's about them being able to visit one another in the hostpital, being able to live with one another if say one partner is in the army. Separation of church and state, that kind of thing.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Monster Boy View Post
                As far as the metal community, to me it does appear a zealous celebration of all things stereo-typically masculine.
                That sounds pretty gay to me... Spikes & leather!!!

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                Originally posted by Monster Boy View Post
                This isn't about religious marriage, it's about the government recognizing the union. It's about same sex partners being able to be claimed on each other's insurance, it's about them being able to visit one another in the hostpital, being able to live with one another if say one partner is in the army. Separation of church and state, that kind of thing.
                Well, there are two sides there. One is the secular marriage, giving a gay couple the same rights as a straight couple, as you say, but it seems like more and more countries are allowing that. But the religious marriage of gays are still a "hot potato".
                95% of everything i say is pure bullshit just for the fun of it. The other 95% is damn serious!
                Til įrs ok frišar ok forn sišr

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Billy Underdog View Post
                  That sounds pretty gay to me... Spikes & leather!!!
                  Absolutely! It's funny how that style was pretty much introduced by Judas Priest. Ram it down!

                  ---------- Post added at 02:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:03 PM ----------

                  Originally posted by Billy Underdog View Post
                  Well, there are two sides there. One is the secular marriage, giving a gay couple the same rights as a straight couple, as you say, but it seems like more and more countries are allowing that. But the religious marriage of gays are still a "hot potato".
                  That will be up to the religion, not the government (unless the two are linked). Civil unions do not get the same rights as "marriages" in the good ol USA (well, most of the states), so religion and government still are sort of linked there. As an example of why I think it is unfair: I didn't get married in a church or by any type of religion, but the government recognizes it as a marriage because my wife is a she. So it's not religion that is the issue, er well, the thing is, religious views do keep gay marriage illegal, so religion sort of is the issue, but shouldn't be as I see it. What's a worse sin, atheism or homosexuality? Apparently homosexuality according to the religious right. Weird huh?
                  Last edited by Monster Boy; 02-23-2012, 07:45 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Billy Underdog View Post
                    Secular marriage (like in a town hall) isn't something that existed only in communism, i guess pretty much every country has that.

                    But what if the gay couple are, say, christians, and want to get married in the church according to their faith? Why should'nt they be allowed to do that?
                    Because god and the church to do approve the active homosexsual lifestyle (they dont hate them) so if someone living that lifestyle cant marry under the abrahamic rules because they would be sabotaging the sacrety of marrige.(yes i know many people re-marry N stuff but thats because of the age we live in and because people see it as nothing special)
                    Still I wonder what its like to be loved, instead of hiding in myself...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Monster Boy View Post
                      That will be up to the religion, not the government (unless the two are linked). Civil unions do not get the same rights as "marriages" in the good ol USA (well, most of the states), so religion and government still are sort of linked there. As an example of why I think it is unfair: I didn't get married in a church or by any type of religion, but the government recognizes it as a marriage because my wife is a she. So it's not religion that is the issue, er well, the thing is, it is religious views that keep gay marriage illegal, so it sort of is, but shouldn't be as I see it. What's a worse sin, atheism or homosexuality? Apparently homosexuality according to the religious right. Weird huh?
                      Yeah, it's meaningless. We still have a governmental church in Norway too, so it's the same problem here... That's why i'm for segregation of church and state. (As a good christian i'm strongly anti-church.)

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                      Originally posted by Die Young View Post
                      Because god and the church to do approve the active homosexsual lifestyle (they dont hate them) so if someone living that lifestyle cant marry under the abrahamic rules because they would be sabotaging the sacrety of marrige.(yes i know many people re-marry N stuff but thats because of the age we live in and because people see it as nothing special)
                      So why is it O.K. to break one "rule" because of the age we live in, but not another?
                      95% of everything i say is pure bullshit just for the fun of it. The other 95% is damn serious!
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                      • #12
                        most people forgot the sabbath stones so they have a spin off morality by wich devorse is ok
                        but the church hasnt so because thats one of the only sins they can fight off easily, even tough some priests are gay, so when such disscusions happen I let the big man take care of things while I simply tolerate (not to be confused with support)

                        its a crazy world we live in, and im not leaving it today :(
                        Still I wonder what its like to be loved, instead of hiding in myself...

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                        • #13
                          Your reasoning is pointless, so i have to ask again: "Why is it O.K. to break one "rule" because of the age we live in, but not another?"

                          As long as you can't give a straight answer, i consider this discussion over. But you're doing a good job of pointing out why i feel the church no longer has anything to do with christianity...
                          95% of everything i say is pure bullshit just for the fun of it. The other 95% is damn serious!
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                          • #14
                            devorse is only acceptable only if the other person has comited adultery, homosexsuality is an abomination to god but a person who causes suffering to others in the name of the holy father shall not recive the kingdom of god.

                            Well the church got ruined when it became mainstream so it should be kept "underground" away from the courrupting power which according to me no man should have in the first place. But a bad church is better than nothing (pun intended).
                            Still I wonder what its like to be loved, instead of hiding in myself...

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                            • #15
                              Your answers are starting to make less and less sence, so i'm just gonna give up trying...

                              Back on topic;
                              I don't think Mr. Mustaine mind a bit of lesbian porn, so it's probably not the consept of homosexuality that's really his problem, i guess he's still only a teenage little boy who find the thought of two men having sex "yucky". (This is ofcourse just my speculations)
                              95% of everything i say is pure bullshit just for the fun of it. The other 95% is damn serious!
                              Til įrs ok frišar ok forn sišr

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