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  • #61
    What really pisses me off is people complaining about Kid Rock using the Confederate flag onstage.
    First of all, when's the last time he even used it?


    Second of all, what happened to free speech?
    You tried to suppress me
    But nothing holds me down
    Just when you think you're happy
    I come around

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    • #62
      Sabman, you have clearly read a good deal on this subject, thank you for sharing your knowledge. As it is though, I'm a sucker for quotes and historical documents. If you read the secession charters it is clear that the main issue was slavery, in fact, the confederate constitution did not want confederate states to have the option to outlaw slavery. I do not deny that there was more to it, that the issue is complex, that those who fought got a raw deal, all of it. But a symbol very closely tied with the oppression of a minority group (oppression is actually sugar coating it) shouldn't be sponsored by any state. Freedom of speech is one thing, state sponsored displays of offensive images are another. The argument "well it doesn't bother me" is kinda lame I think.
      You bought and sold me with your lying words.
      Phil, your head's all full of lice!

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      • #63
        Fuck your rebel flag.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by The Sabman Cometh View Post
          E5150, it can be difficult for anyone to understand a part of U.S. history from more than 150 years ago, especially people from other countries. It is likely that you have been exposed to a narrative set by those(media outlets) out to promote a political agenda. The Soviet Union used these tactics to attempt to undermine the reputation of the U.S. around the world while it oppressed not only its own people, but most of Eastern Europe. If you have any interest in military history, or if you desire more knowledge on this topic, I recommend that you research Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas (Stonewall) Jackson.

          Sicko, linking an article will not result in a factual display of evidence to support a point of view. The last one was poorly written and represented an extreme bias. I find this brand of smug condescension to be extremely aggravating and I am from the north. I strongly disagree with the notion that the majority must bow to anyone, or fringe group which claims it is offended by a team name, flag, religion, a menu item, book, etc. For example, those receiving medical treatment for psychiatric issues may be offended by your screen name on BSO. Why do you hate mental patients?

          Now I heard a story from my mailman's friend's cousin.... As you probably know, the U.S. Civil War represents a complex and bloody period in U.S. history. I do not recall a single source that would generate the authoritative proof of all proofs that settles the question regarding the cause of the war. In this politically charged, modern environment, this topic is often skewed for political purposes. Clearly, race-baiting and creating divisions is very profitable. I have read many books about the Civil War, especially biographies and autobiographies from generals and soldiers from both Union and Confederate sides. In addition, I have visited and supported many Civil War battlefields and historical sites. It is crucial to remember that one's loyalty was to his/her individual state first, ahead of the national government. Furthermore, the founding of the U.S. was based upon the apprehension of a large, potentially tyrannical national government. The memory of King George III and his tyranny toward the previous colonies was not forgotten. Next, the industrial revolution was creating two very different cultures-rapidly growing industries in the north and large plantations in the south providing the raw materials to feed this industrial machine. Sadly, slave labor was depended on to meet this demand. Tensions grew over decades, as westward expansion and economic disputes escalated. It was widely believed that the U.S. Constitution granted the state the right to sucede from the union. Again, the idea of a growing federal authority was intolerable to many. The Abolitionist movement fanned these flames.

          The issue of slavery was considered to be a moral dilemma by the founding fathers. Thomas Jefferson sought to achieve the elimination of slavery, however through the a democratic initiative, not by a federal mandate. This goal was not achieved and the demand of southern cotton for the northern textile industry accelerated rapidly. This illustration could continue for many more pages, but I will wind down now. The creation of the U.S. Constitution and the united effort by the colonies to oppose British rule required compromises. Decades later, agitators from both north and south prevented a peaceful resolution to the economic and cultural issues of the time. Many in the south opposed slavery and sucession. Many in the north shared the same prejudices as those now called rednecks in the south. Lincoln raised an army to preserve the union and the north would not have supported a war fought to end slavery. The revisionist movement seeks to simplify the cause of the war as slavery, with the noble soldiers from the north fighting the defiant slave masters from the south. The field generals and soldiers thought quite differently and both sides fought with great honor and courage.
          Great post Sabman, as always.

          I support the Confederate flag as a symbol of Southron heritage as many Southerners call it, more soldiers died in that war than any other war we fought combined, those Confederate soldiers should be honored and not defiled and so should their symbols.

          I support the Confederate flag and the South wanting to keep it, I'm also a Northerner.

          And aren't the majority of us being called racist because we don't support certain things the government and the minority are imposing on us? Like overturning laws we vote into effect?

          Articles are written by people and not always historical fact, I choose to believe people whose ancestors lived through it, rather than someone writing an article and calling those truths myths.

          I am grateful for President Lincoln keeping the country together, but I also honor those brave Confederate soldiers who gave their lives for what they believed in and fought for.
          "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
          "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
          ________Sabbath Forever, Forever Sabbath!______OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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          • #65
            Ever eat a whole bag of crackers, that were so old that they weren't crispy anymore?
            Have you ever been high as fuck?
            Black metal > Whatever you like, sorry. *shrugs*

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            • #66
              "Without Black Sabbath there never would have been an Ozzy, and without Ozzy there never would have been a Black Sabbath"
              "If there ever was a band whose voice is so significant and distinct, that band is Black Sabbath and the voice is Ozzy Osbourne"
              ________Sabbath Forever, Forever Sabbath!______OzzyIsDio_ (YoY)

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Scruggs View Post
                Ever eat a whole bag of crackers, that were so old that they weren't crispy anymore?
                Have you ever been high as fuck?

                I've eaten a good portion of stale crackers, nothing happened.
                Can stale crackers really get you high? I'm not stupid, I know that the cracker itself can't, but the mold that could develop on an old cracker might contain some kind of chemical that could be intoxicating, kind of like stilton cheese mold.
                You tried to suppress me
                But nothing holds me down
                Just when you think you're happy
                I come around

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                • #68
                  It's a song. Lol.

                  You can't get high from stale crackers. You can get so high though that you get hungry and desperate enough to eat stale crackers.
                  Black metal > Whatever you like, sorry. *shrugs*

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Buffalo Bill Scruggs View Post
                    It's a song. Lol.

                    You can't get high from stale crackers. You can get so high though that you get hungry and desperate enough to eat stale crackers.
                    Never heard it...
                    You can get high from pretty much anything, or at least it seems that way.
                    You always see things on the internet saying stuff like "teens are now finding new ways to get high, partaking in activities such as drinking hand sanitizer and eating nutmeg."
                    Those actually work, but drinking hand sanitizer sounds very dangerous. Nutmeg tastes plain bad in large quantities, so I don't recommend to people to do stuff like that.


                    If people could get high off of stale crackers, the whole world would be high right now.
                    You tried to suppress me
                    But nothing holds me down
                    Just when you think you're happy
                    I come around

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                    • #70
                      Youtube it. High As Fuck by Jon Lajoie. One of my favorite songs haha.
                      Black metal > Whatever you like, sorry. *shrugs*

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                      • #71
                        If you are going to get rid of everything slave related or slave orientated then our B.S. music here, rock n roll, hard rock, rap, hip hop, funk, soul, mo-town, etc must go. Because they all are the children of what would be called 'blues music'. And the blues came from slaves and several generations down of black people in America. Who put their feelings into music. And they didn't have cellos and flutes. It was broom sticks on porches and made from cigar boxes guitars.
                        Pain and Poison Roses

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by EDTRADER View Post
                          If you are going to get rid of everything slave related or slave orientated then our B.S. music here, rock n roll, hard rock, rap, hip hop, funk, soul, mo-town, etc must go. Because they all are the children of what would be called 'blues music'. And the blues came from slaves and several generations down of black people in America. Who put their feelings into music. And they didn't have cellos and flutes. It was broom sticks on porches and made from cigar boxes guitars.
                          Your point is valid ED, but the huge difference here is that slave music was created by the slaves themselves, an expression of the indomitable human will, a triumph over their living conditions. The confederate flag is a symbol of the slavery itself, a symbol of state sponsored racial discrimination, held up and flown as if there was nothing wrong with that, that it is to be celebrated.
                          You bought and sold me with your lying words.
                          Phil, your head's all full of lice!

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                          • #73
                            People should understand that things such as slavery are still parts of our history, and they need to accept and understand that, and know not to enslave people again.
                            You tried to suppress me
                            But nothing holds me down
                            Just when you think you're happy
                            I come around

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by EDTRADER View Post
                              If you are going to get rid of everything slave related or slave orientated then our B.S. music here, rock n roll, hard rock, rap, hip hop, funk, soul, mo-town, etc must go. Because they all are the children of what would be called 'blues music'. And the blues came from slaves and several generations down of black people in America. Who put their feelings into music. And they didn't have cellos and flutes. It was broom sticks on porches and made from cigar boxes guitars.
                              Originally posted by Sicko FanAtic View Post
                              Your point is valid ED, but the huge difference here is that slave music was created by the slaves themselves, an expression of the indomitable human will, a triumph over their living conditions. The confederate flag is a symbol of the slavery itself, a symbol of state sponsored racial discrimination, held up and flown as if there was nothing wrong with that, that it is to be celebrated.
                              Come on EDTRADER, are you saying that no Sabbath music would
                              exist without blues music first?

                              Come on Sicko, are you saying that every person that displays the
                              Confederate Flag supports slavery?

                              This is a bit of a stretch, guys.
                              Nobody I know is gonna take my rock & roll away from me.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Typhon View Post
                                Come on EDTRADER, are you saying that no Sabbath music would
                                exist without blues music first?

                                Come on Sicko, are you saying that every person that displays the
                                Confederate Flag supports slavery?

                                This is a bit of a stretch, guys.
                                I can see how you might think I said that, or implied it, but i did not mean to imply such a thing. The confederate flag could be displayed by Kid Rock, Lynyrd Skynyrd, whatevs, that's freedom of speech. Do they support slavery, racism, that kind of thing. I would say no. I bet you don't see many blacks at Kid Rock or Skynyrd concerts though. They can choose to stay home if offended. I suppose they can choose to move to another state as well, if offended by the confederate flag flying on the court house. But really, it's a lot easier if the court house just takes it down. But no Sabbath without blues, not a stretch at all.
                                Last edited by Sicko FanAtic; 08-03-2015, 10:53 AM.
                                You bought and sold me with your lying words.
                                Phil, your head's all full of lice!

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