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    Default Why do we hear ICE T on Forbidden?

    Anyone have any idea of why he was rapping on Forbidden? It's not that I dislike it, I think it fits nice.
    But it still seems strange to put him in there.

    I read somewhere that "the rap thing ruined the feeling" citat Martin. I mean, can Ernie C really force the band to include a rapper? Don't think so, not after 17 albums.

    Is Iommi the one to blame (or praise as in my case [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])?

    And btw, this is problaby the best of all the Sabbath's album IMO. It should be Forbidden to hate Forbidden! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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    I love Forbiddeen also. Ice used the intro to the song Black Sabbath on one of his songs
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    I love Forbiddeen also. Ice used the intro to the song Black Sabbath on one of his songs

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    Yeah I think I heard that somewhere. But I don't rembemer really. Did he just use those three notes and rap to them?

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    Its an excerpt from 1995 interview with Tony Martin and Cozy Powell which was carried by Daniela. The whole text is here: http://user.tninet.se/~cxq849j/Intrw.html

    I think you can find some answers in it.

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    D indicates Daniela, the webmaster
    C indicates Cozy
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    D: What can you tell me about Ice-T appearing on the album?
    T: We had a phone call basically. He wanted to work with us. Tony went to meet him, they got on well and from Ice-T, Earnie C was recommended to us as a producer for some of the tracks on the album, so it all started to develop, step by step. And in the end, Earnie ended up producing the whole album, which is quite good. His input really was a "feel"-thing, all the songs were already written by the time he got there.
    Well, you see, we didn't know what he was gonna sing... In fact, he didn't know what we were gonna write, and we didn't know what he was gonna rap ! So it was kind of rap by post if you like. We did the songs in the UK, sent one of them over to him, he rapped on it and sent it back. It turned out quite good.
    C: I mean, if it had been a typical rap-thing with us it would have been ridicilous, but what he's done on the track he's done is actually really good.
    D. It is different..!
    T: It is different, but that's the point, it was supposed to be.
    C: It was meant to be a guest appearance on one track, nothing more.
    D: That was the first song I heard when I put the CD on, and I went: "WHAT is THIS?"
    T: ...that stands before me!?
    C: It's just a little bit different...
    T: We had to ask a lot of questions... It's not something that sort of came up, like, "oh yeah, let's do that", we all looked at eachother and went: "Are you sure ??" Do we really wanna do this? But it turned out good.
    C: I think Ice and Earnie were a lot influenced by Sabbath anyway, so...That was where the connection originally came from, not that we absolutely wanted some rappers on a Sabbath-album..!
    D: So, who knows who will appear on the next Sabbath-album!
    C: Goodness only knows...! We'll probably have Madonna on the next!
    T: (laughs) NOT!!.
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    Personally I hate it. I don't think the heavy metal pioneers should have included something like rap, which would later sink heavy metal into the deeper realms of musical enjoyment by the public.
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    Thanks Adam! Answers my question [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: Why do we hear ICE T on Forbidden?

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    Thanks Adam! Answers my question [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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    You're welcome!
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    I love Forbiddeen also. Ice used the intro to the song Black Sabbath on one of his songs

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    Yeah I think I heard that somewhere. But I don't rembemer really. Did he just use those three notes and rap to them?

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    no he used the storm too. I posted it a while ago let me see if I can find it
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    Default Re: Why do we hear ICE T on Forbidden?

    I dont really think its as unbearable as some people make it out to be. Its not even a "rap". Its just a spoken word piece in the middle of the song-- I dont even think it lasts 30 seconds.

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    Also, when he sampled "Black Sabbath" that was spoken word too. And it wasn't him speaking, it was Jello Biafra. It was just an intro to his "The Iceberg/Freedom Of Speech... Just Watch What You Say" album.
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    Well, I actually like a lot of the songs on Forbidden, just not that one. I think the whole song sucks, and I despise the fact that they let any rap singer on a Black Sabbath album. I have said many times that there are only two kinds of music that I absolutely hate, and that is rap and opera.
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    C: I think Ice and Earnie were a lot influenced by Sabbath anyway, so...That was where the connection originally came from, not that we absolutely wanted some rappers on a Sabbath-album..!
    D: So, who knows who will appear on the next Sabbath-album!
    C: Goodness only knows...! We'll probably have Madonna on the next!
    T: (laughs) NOT!!.

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    Well... At this point, I would love a new Sabbath album, even with Madonna as guest singer... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/brickwall.gif[/img]
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    C: I think Ice and Earnie were a lot influenced by Sabbath anyway, so...That was where the connection originally came from, not that we absolutely wanted some rappers on a Sabbath-album..!
    D: So, who knows who will appear on the next Sabbath-album!
    C: Goodness only knows...! We'll probably have Madonna on the next!
    T: (laughs) NOT!!.

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    Well... At this point, I would love a new Sabbath album, even with Madonna as guest singer... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/brickwall.gif[/img]

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    Me to.

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    D: That was the first song I heard when I put the CD on, and I went: "WHAT is THIS?"
    T: ...that stands before me!?

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    D: So, who knows who will appear on the next Sabbath-album!
    C: Goodness only knows...! We'll probably have Madonna on the next!
    T: (laughs) NOT!!.

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    I see that Tony Martin have some humor, Cozy to.
    I laughed a bit [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

    Anyway, a rapper in Sabbath, from the first time I knew what kind of music Sabbath is, I would never, ever imagine a rapper in Sabbath [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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    What is the problem with it? I mean aslong as it sounds good.

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    What is the problem with it? I mean aslong as it sounds good.

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    To me, that is the problem with it, it does not sound good! I think it is the single worst Sabbath song ever.
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    IMO it fits the song really well
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    How Good It Feels
    Sleeping here with you tonight
    And thats for real"
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    Powerful...who are you fooling?
    You're caught in a complex cataclysm of your own inadequacies
    And pitiful weaknesses
    Your souls secretes insecurity
    So you live on the reflection side of the mirror
    You're terrified of true power...you fear me...


    I think the text is very nice. And so is the rapping. The backing riff from Iommi is also very good!

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    I never understood why are people whining about those 15 seconds for something that *is not even f***** rap. You wanna know what rap is? Listen to some Grand Master Flash or something. That guy is just talking, no more.

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    I never understood why are people whining about those 15 seconds for something that *is not even f***** rap. You wanna know what rap is? Listen to some Grand Master Flash or something. That guy is just talking, no more.

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    Agree.
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    C: I think Ice and Earnie were a lot influenced by Sabbath anyway, so...That was where the connection originally came from, not that we absolutely wanted some rappers on a Sabbath-album..!
    D: So, who knows who will appear on the next Sabbath-album!
    C: Goodness only knows...! We'll probably have Madonna on the next!
    T: (laughs) NOT!!.

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    Well... At this point, I would love a new Sabbath album, even with Madonna as guest singer... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/brickwall.gif[/img]

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    Me to.

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    D: That was the first song I heard when I put the CD on, and I went: "WHAT is THIS?"
    T: ...that stands before me!?

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    D: So, who knows who will appear on the next Sabbath-album!
    C: Goodness only knows...! We'll probably have Madonna on the next!
    T: (laughs) NOT!!.

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    I see that Tony Martin have some humor, Cozy to.
    I laughed a bit [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

    Anyway, a rapper in Sabbath, from the first time I knew what kind of music Sabbath is, I would never, ever imagine a rapper in Sabbath [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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    agreed. that's why i disagree with it so. i don't like it being in a sabbath song. and it is just as rappy as rap, don't try to get it differentiated. it is just a guy talking in the song. ridiculous.
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    why is it ridiculous? in KISS's Crazy Nights the song starts off with Paul talking the line "this is a song for everybody out there". I'm sure there are dozens more, I just can't think of any more.
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    I never understood why are people whining about those 15 seconds for something that *is not even f***** rap. You wanna know what rap is? Listen to some Grand Master Flash or something. That guy is just talking, no more.

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    Amen.

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    Well, I actually like a lot of the songs on Forbidden, just not that one. I think the whole song sucks, and I despise the fact that they let any rap singer on a Black Sabbath album. I have said many times that there are only two kinds of music that I absolutely hate, and that is rap and opera.

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    I really like it when musicans from different genres get together (if the result is like this). I think we need to open the barriers.
    Only because you're a metalhead doesn't mean that you have to hate all rap songs.

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    I really like it when musicans from different genres get together (if the result is like this). I think we need to open the barriers.
    Only because you're a metalhead doesn't mean that you have to hate all rap songs.

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    Plus it wasn't that rap...
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    I really like it when musicans from different genres get together (if the result is like this). I think we need to open the barriers.
    Only because you're a metalhead doesn't mean that you have to hate all rap songs.

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    Plus it wasn't that rap...

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    What do you think it is then?

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    I really like it when musicans from different genres get together (if the result is like this). I think we need to open the barriers.
    Only because you're a metalhead doesn't mean that you have to hate all rap songs.

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    Plus it wasn't that rap...

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    What do you think it is then?

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    In my opinion that is not spoken word. Spoken word is more like The Black Widow of Alice Cooper or something.

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    Default Re: Why do we hear ICE T on Forbidden?

    Well any rapper will tell you that it's spoken word. I guarantee that if a non-rapper spoke that part, it would be a non-issue. But because a rapper did it, suddenly Sabbath committed sacrelidge.

    Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the song. My favorite parts are the first 30 seconds and the last 30 seconds. As for the stuff in between, I'm not really a fan-- even the riff is uncharacteristically subpar. Luckily the album has enough working songs on it to help you forget about the few that don't work.

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    I personally dont see the problem with Ice T's presence on the song, but on the contrary it is my least favourite song on the album.

    All this does is prove two points:

    1) Sabbath will always be the band that can push Metal to uncharted territory, treading waters very few bands and critics would dare to swim.

    2) The people who say they dislike it are the ones who are afraid of change or to take a chance.

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    Reading this thread made me want to put on Forbidden!

    *plays Forbidden CD*

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    Reading this thread made me want to put on Forbidden!

    *plays Forbidden CD*

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    By the way, prroduction of the Forbidden album is really not that bad. I mean, when you've got a good system you can adjust it, and it sounds great: the drums, voice, bass, and Iommi. Hear everything, and it's not flat or blurry. It's raw.
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    I really like it when musicans from different genres get together (if the result is like this). I think we need to open the barriers.
    Only because you're a metalhead doesn't mean that you have to hate all rap songs.

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    Plus it wasn't that rap...

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    What do you think it is then?

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    Spoken word. There is a difference [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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    Not really. Rap is basically speaking to a beat. There's no huge difference...




    by the way I heard somewhere that you can't spell crap without rap.
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    I really like it when musicans from different genres get together (if the result is like this). I think we need to open the barriers.
    Only because you're a metalhead doesn't mean that you have to hate all rap songs.

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    Plus it wasn't that rap...

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    What do you think it is then?

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    Spoken word. There is a difference [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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    Not really. Rap is basically speaking to a beat. There's no huge difference...




    by the way I heard somewhere that you can't spell crap without rap.

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    As much as I hate rap, you're really showing your ignorance about it. In no way is rap just "speaking to a beat".


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    Hear everything, and it's not flat or blurry. It's raw.

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    Baaaaah, the demos have a better sound [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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    by the way I heard somewhere that you can't spell crap without rap.

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    Here's the real problem...

    Forbidden was an album that was recorded for the sole purpose of getting the record company off of Iommi's back.

    To that end, the inspiration was non-existent, the material was sophomoric and the prodution was absolutely horrible.

    The entire album, stupid lyrics and all, sounded like it was recorded in an alley with every instrument played loudly into a garbage can.

    "The illusion of power" indeed...LOL

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    The taste is like the ass (a Swedish expression). I can't do more than disagree with you MRM45 and David. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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    The taste is like the ass (a Swedish expression). I can't do more than disagree with you MRM45 and David. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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    Maybe they have low quality hi-fis. I mean, when you've got a good system you can adjust it, and it sounds great: the drums, voice, bass, and Iommi. Hearing everything, and it's not flat or blurry either. It's raw.
    They were undergoing tumultuous times back then... and perhaps it helped them paradoxically create a true album, consisted of true emotions. You can feel it... well maybe not everyone. It's like a shiny diamond in Sabbath catalogue in my opinion. As they say "artists are their own worst critics".
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    I really like it when musicans from different genres get together (if the result is like this). I think we need to open the barriers.
    Only because you're a metalhead doesn't mean that you have to hate all rap songs.

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    Plus it wasn't that rap...

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    What do you think it is then?

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    Spoken word. There is a difference [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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    Not really. Rap is basically speaking to a beat. There's no huge difference...


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    So... do you consider "No One Came" by Deep Purple to be a rap record then?
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