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    Why is it why they did a Deep Purple Album from Born Again I mean it sounded like Deep Purple Singing on that Album
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    Why is it why they did a Deep Purple Album from Born Again I mean it sounded like Deep Purple Singing on that Album



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    I think I'm gonna use all my experience and sense of compassion with nonsensical prose to say that I GUESS the new thunder god meant that the Born Again album sounded just too much like what you'd expect of a Deep Purple album with the DP vocalist's singing making it appear more Purple-ish..

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    he heh... watch out for the bolt of lightning!

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    Vocal-wise maybe (it's the same vocalist), but the music is WAY different. No way one can really compare Born Again with Perfect Strangers (or any other Deep Purple album for that matter).

    I've seen people call Heaven and Hell the best Rainbow album but it's just as ridiculous.

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    I meant was the Album is a like a Deep Purple Album but not a Black Sabbath Album
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    Quote Originally Posted by God of Thunder View Post
    I meant was the Album is a like a Deep Purple Album but not a Black Sabbath Album

    Well, they did have Deep Purple's singer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God of Thunder View Post
    I meant was the Album is a like a Deep Purple Album but not a Black Sabbath Album
    The only thing in common with Purple is the vocalist... Musically it's miles away from Purple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Vocal-wise maybe (it's the same vocalist), but the music is WAY different. No way one can really compare Born Again with Perfect Strangers (or any other Deep Purple album for that matter).

    I've seen people call Heaven and Hell the best Rainbow album but it's just as ridiculous.
    Yeah, you're mostly right on this, though I'd also unhesitatingly suggest that, if not "musically", then at least "lyrically" Born Again flaunts some of the same variously ludicrous and annoyingly hackneyed stuff (Digital Bitch being the exhibit A of this lyrical lameness) that the same guy--yes, Ian Gillan, no less---had patented with his main band Deep Purple, both previously and hence afterward...Your citing Perfect Strangers was a perfectly ironical reference here, in a sense. For starters, PS came out the year after BA, so no ready comparison between these two albums, at least, was possible at the time BA was in current circulation...Besides, I still feel Perfect Strangers was, for me anyway, actually a perfect 'reunion' 'comeback' album of Gillan with DP, and arguably the 'best' DP album of the '80s onwards to this day.

    As for God of Thunder's feelings on this, I reckon I had guessed what he was trying to suggest, mostly correctly...I don't agree with him much, but then the routine jibes of that one-night stand being a Deep Sabbath-sounding tryst were never entirely discredited by everybody that had ever heard the album..

    And hey, Heaven and Hell??..Not the "best" Rainbow album, haha, but Dio sure did his best to dress it up and give it the look and vibes of a "fourth" Rainbow album...lol
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    Born Again is nothing like any DP album, unfortunately; it's much worse than the classic ones such as Machine Head!

    Heaven and Hell has no connection with Rainbow, musically that is. Oh, the guy singing is the same. That aside... completely different styles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLP4ever View Post
    Yeah, you're mostly right on this, though I'd also unhesitatingly suggest that, if not "musically", then at least "lyrically" Born Again flaunts some of the same variously ludicrous and annoyingly hackneyed stuff (Digital Bitch being the exhibit A of this lyrical lameness) that the same guy--yes, Ian Gillan, no less---had patented with his main band Deep Purple, both previously and hence afterward...
    Maybe the lyrics on Born Again stood out from the typical Sabbath mould but they weren't bad per se. Ian Gillan is known to be one of the better lyricists in the genre (along with Steve Harris, Ronnie James Dio, Geezer Butler etc.)

    Your citing Perfect Strangers was a perfectly ironical reference here, in a sense. For starters, PS came out the year after BA, so no ready comparison between these two albums, at least, was possible at the time BA was in current circulation...Besides, I still feel Perfect Strangers was, for me anyway, actually a perfect 'reunion' 'comeback' album of Gillan with DP, and arguably the 'best' DP album of the '80s onwards to this day.
    I'm sure there was plenty of comparisons drawn between PS and BA after PS came out. BA was sketchy, suffered from sound and mastering problems and the tour ended disastrously and prematurely whereas PS was a solid reunion effort for Deep Purple (and yes, it's one of the better albums produced since the reunion though I wouldn't say it's really THE best - we have slightly different opinions on that :D)

    As for God of Thunder's feelings on this, I reckon I had guessed what he was trying to suggest, mostly correctly...I don't agree with him much, but then the routine jibes of that one-night stand being a Deep Sabbath-sounding tryst were never entirely discredited by everybody that had ever heard the album..
    I don't understand that. A singer is just that, a singer. He/she can never trump the entire band's performance and unless the two bands try to sound distinctly similar, he/she can't turn one band's sound into another. After all, the music is first, and the vocals are just an icing on the cake. They can be good or bad, but of course the icing can be either made of candy or of shit. :haha:

    And hey, Heaven and Hell??..Not the "best" Rainbow album, haha, but Dio sure did his best to dress it up and give it the look and vibes of a "fourth" Rainbow album...lol
    Have to disagree with that, as there is apparently nothing in common between Rainbow's first 3 albums and Heaven & Hell... apart from the singer again. The music is poles apart, just like the case with PS and BA cited above.

    Surely Heaven & Hell is far above most of what Rainbow has ever put out... maybe only Rising can timidly scratch it, but only just a bit. Much as I like Blackmore, to me even his best work is still not as interesting and powerful as Iommi's best work (and Heaven & Hell, by most people's estimates, belongs to this category).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Maybe the lyrics on Born Again stood out from the typical Sabbath mould but they weren't bad per se. Ian Gillan is known to be one of the better lyricists in the genre (along with Steve Harris, Ronnie James Dio, Geezer Butler etc.)
    You really think so? I honestly can't stand his lyrics... all that schoolboy sexism... But then I don't rate Harris or Dio either... Gillan is one of the worst though...

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    Gillan has written some good stuff, although some of it is just cringe worthy. Unless you're drunk of course - the other day a group of friends and I were having a blast singing along to Knocking at Your Back Door.

    To get into her pants we had to be the aristocracy - BIIIIIITCH!!

    The girls at the bar weren't as amused as we thought they would be!
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    Quote Originally Posted by David86 View Post
    Gillan has written some good stuff, although some of it is just cringe worthy. Unless you're drunk of course - the other day a group of friends and I were having a blast singing along to Knocking at Your Back Door.

    To get into her pants we had to be the aristocracy - BIIIIIITCH!!

    The girls at the bar weren't as amused as we thought they would be!
    Agreed. Every lyricist may have his bad night or something, but many of Gillan's stuff (like Strangeways or When a Blind Man Cries) is up there with the best rock lyrics (rock, not metal, mind you).

    Certainly better than the average cock rock stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Maybe the lyrics on Born Again stood out from the typical Sabbath mould but they weren't bad per se. Ian Gillan is known to be one of the better lyricists in the genre (along with Steve Harris, Ronnie James Dio, Geezer Butler etc.)
    I don't think there was 'one' 'typical' 'mould' of Sabbath lyrics, at all..Ozzy, during his tenure, wailed and emoted his own distinct and varied lyrical palette; Dio's arrival to the band meant that his assorted pet themes came along too (with Dehumanizer being a marked exception to his tradmark lyrical template)...and gosh, Martin, that era had some of the most mediocre, almost comically phoney and/or drab lyrics ever penned in the band's studios. The only thing that really stood out on BA, though, was not the stupid Sabbath instrumentals, the yucky cover, the sub-par production, the very ordinary playing, overall, but it was Gillan's voice, the goodness, goofiness and sheer out-of-place pretentiousness of it all...As for Harris, Dio and Geezer, I have to totally disagree with the first two of that trio, being somehow regarded as some of "the better lyricists in the genre"...I have known Maiden fans that might swear by Harris's bass playing but wouldn't remotely cheer him for a lot of the pedestrian, dumb lyrics he ever penned for the band. Dio?..Too much of a bona fide serial fantasy junkie to be considered even a "good", let alone 'great', writer by too many of his own biggest fans..As for Geezer, that man seemed to have got plain lazy, smug or just his formerly snazzy lyrical instincts badly deserted him within the latter incarnations of a much-changed band, a band he had helped once make mightily memorable, with the power of his penned lyrics alone, not to speak of his bewitching bass playing..


    Quote Originally Posted by Rover
    I'm sure there was plenty of comparisons drawn between PS and BA after PS came out. BA was sketchy, suffered from sound and mastering problems and the tour ended disastrously and prematurely whereas PS was a solid reunion effort for Deep Purple (and yes, it's one of the better albums produced since the reunion though I wouldn't say it's really THE best - we have slightly different opinions on that :D)
    Oh yeah, I would bet that there were comparisons galore between the two albums obviously AFTER Gillan had gone back to reunite with his old pals and one feuding nemesis a.k.a Blackmore to record and release such a rollickingly superb disc that is Perfect Strangers..I'd imagine a lot of fans and critics would have felt that was the greatest thing to have happened since BA was mostly rated an overall failure and Gillan was deemed a definite misfit with Sabbath, so his going back to DP must have looked like an ideal turn of events..especially with an album of PS's quality being doubly fabulous after the all-round dud that was BA...I say PS is, for me, the "best" DP record since '84-to date, because I still have a very lowly regard for the subsequent discs with Gillan; House of Blue Light, the utterly shitty TBRO and need I even go near the abominable S&M with a wussy clown on mics, and my stated opinions, in the past in these forums, of the entire Morse-era wares??


    I don't understand that. A singer is just that, a singer. He/she can never trump the entire band's performance and unless the two bands try to sound distinctly similar, he/she can't turn one band's sound into another. After all, the music is first, and the vocals are just an icing on the cake. They can be good or bad, but of course the icing can be either made of candy or of shit. :haha:

    Yeah, I'd agree with that to a large extent, except that, Rover, some rock singers have often managed to pull off, intentionally or inadvertently, the feat of making their new band somehow sound like their ex-band, in certain ways...Guys like Gillan are basically such charismatic personalities as rock frontmen with mighty popularity and stature among rock fans, that their presence on a studio album with a new, different band than their mainstay band, invariably, on at least a subliminal, subconscious level, colours the new album with new band with the new singer's vocal, lyrical and other stylistic handprints. I don't think BA sounded like a Gillan-fronted DP album at all, but there was something about Gillan's unmistakably over-the-top efforts at wanting to 'fit into' the 'Sabbath image' and scheme of things, his screaming and crooning all those juvenile, cartoonish lyrics, and other Gillan mannerisms made BA, from moment to moment, sound almost like Ian Gillan fronting a solo one-off stunt of his own with a bunch of heavy-sounding session musicians...

    Have to disagree with that, as there is apparently nothing in common between Rainbow's first 3 albums and Heaven & Hell... apart from the singer again. The music is poles apart, just like the case with PS and BA cited above.

    Surely Heaven & Hell is far above most of what Rainbow has ever put out... maybe only Rising can timidly scratch it, but only just a bit. Much as I like Blackmore, to me even his best work is still not as interesting and powerful as Iommi's best work (and Heaven & Hell, by most people's estimates, belongs to this category).
    Oh, I was being prankish with tongue mostly in cheek, with that one.. Of course, H&H is certainly no Rainbow-like album, no question...Though, the ONLY thing common between them is not merely the 'singer', but I'd happily break it to you, that same singer's similar lovely "lyrical" children that he takes with him everywhere he goes... Also, I consider both Rainbow's Rising and LLRR to be somewhat superior records to the elf's debut with an ultimately far bigger, better band that he had inherited upon his arrival at the turn of the decade..Besides, we have already had our firefights over H&H..

    ...And I hadn't counted on making such a hilariously, nonsensically titled thread to ever warrant the exchanges we just had...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLP4ever View Post
    I don't think there was 'one' 'typical' 'mould' of Sabbath lyrics, at all..Ozzy, during his tenure, wailed and emoted his own distinct and varied lyrical palette; Dio's arrival to the band meant that his assorted pet themes came along too (with Dehumanizer being a marked exception to his tradmark lyrical template)...and gosh, Martin, that era had some of the most mediocre, almost comically phoney and/or drab lyrics ever penned in the band's studios.
    I don't really agree. Sabbath during all of its history had a few trademark song themes: most of the lyrics are either mystical, or socially acute, or introspective.
    It's also funny how you involuntarily praise Ozzy and then gradually tone down to describe Dio and Martin. Come on, Ozzy even had no hand in writing these songs we talk of, no need to bring him into the equation.

    I'd imagine a lot of fans and critics would have felt that was the greatest thing to have happened since BA was mostly rated an overall failure and Gillan was deemed a definite misfit with Sabbath, so his going back to DP must have looked like an ideal turn of events..
    Ironically enough, facts really show a slightly different picture: BA was #4 on UK charts (band's highest since Paranoid) and #39 on US charts. Perfect Strangers wasn't much behind (#5 in UK) but surely BA wasn't, like you said, "rated an overall failure" then. Now, of course, we can say all we want - it's all history by now.

    The only thing that really stood out on BA, though, was not the stupid Sabbath instrumentals, the yucky cover, the sub-par production, the very ordinary playing, overall, but it was Gillan's voice, the goodness, goofiness and sheer out-of-place pretentiousness of it all...As for Harris, Dio and Geezer, I have to totally disagree with the first two of that trio, being somehow regarded as some of "the better lyricists in the genre"...I have known Maiden fans that might swear by Harris's bass playing but wouldn't remotely cheer him for a lot of the pedestrian, dumb lyrics he ever penned for the band.
    I know you hate Iron Maiden with a passion for some reason but you can't deny the lyrical quality to most of that band's output. While not being socially acute, Iron Maiden (where the lyrical duties are divided between Bruce Dickinson and Steve Harris) has always made interesting, witty and deep lyrics about war, religion, history and life. None of the ubiquitous cock rock tripe, none of the juvenile satanistic drivel, none of the idiotic, childish "gore" crap. And, more remarkably, no nonsensical lyrics. It's also funny that while listening to Iron Maiden, I hear many words not often used in (metal) lyrics. At least one band doesn't fall to lyrical banality these days.

    Dio?..Too much of a bona fide serial fantasy junkie to be considered even a "good", let alone 'great', writer by too many of his own biggest fans..
    I know that you're not the biggest Dio fan on the planet but again, dismissing his lyrics as a generic fantasy trip would be an understatement. Again, many bands in power metal are just that, but Dio's lyrics usually have more than one layer, even if the exterior one is so often fantasy metaphors. I know that many people hear the first half of Neon Knights and say - 'yeah this is a dungeons and dragons stuff' but to me, the song sounds more like a tongue-in-cheek eulogy to the city police force.

    As for Geezer, that man seemed to have got plain lazy, smug or just his formerly snazzy lyrical instincts badly deserted him within the latter incarnations of a much-changed band, a band he had helped once make mightily memorable, with the power of his penned lyrics alone, not to speak of his bewitching bass playing..
    Either that, or he has simply degenerated, judging by the lyrics on his solo albums which show marked decline in quality and subtlety (some - though not all - of his early lyrical works with Sabbath have been awesome). Someone (citation needed!) on this board once said about Ohmwork's lyrics: "if Electric Funeral had been written today it would have been called 'Oh Shit' or something. No tact or subtletly left in the man'.
    Now tell me, did you like Ohmwork?

    Yeah, I'd agree with that to a large extent, except that, Rover, some rock singers have often managed to pull off, intentionally or inadvertently, the feat of making their new band somehow sound like their ex-band, in certain ways...
    Not sure if I ever heard an example of that, unless, let me repeat it, there is a deliberate attempt at stylization. Ozzy's band (at least the two albums that I've heard) didn't sound like Sabbath, neither did Giuntini Project which has Tony Martin on vocals, nor did Sabbath sound like Purple when Hughes was behind the micstand on Seventh Star and Fused.

    Guys like Gillan are basically such charismatic personalities as rock frontmen with mighty popularity and stature among rock fans, that their presence on a studio album with a new, different band than their mainstay band, invariably, on at least a subliminal, subconscious level, colours the new album with new band with the new singer's vocal, lyrical and other stylistic handprints. I don't think BA sounded like a Gillan-fronted DP album at all, but there was something about Gillan's unmistakably over-the-top efforts at wanting to 'fit into' the 'Sabbath image' and scheme of things, his screaming and crooning all those juvenile, cartoonish lyrics, and other Gillan mannerisms made BA, from moment to moment, sound almost like Ian Gillan fronting a solo one-off stunt of his own with a bunch of heavy-sounding session musicians...
    Oh no, God, not that! The music was distinctly Sabbath, and the only Deep Purple reminiscences I hear are musical - such as The Digital Bitch "sharing" the same rhythm as Highway Star (I think). Nor does BA sound in the least like Gillan's solo band which was some Prog Fusion in the mid 70s and then straightforward Rock'n'Roll in the very early 80s. You can't convince me in that.

    Oh, I was being prankish with tongue mostly in cheek, with that one.. Of course, H&H is certainly no Rainbow-like album, no question...Though, the ONLY thing common between them is not merely the 'singer', but I'd happily break it to you, that same singer's similar lovely "lyrical" children that he takes with him everywhere he goes... Also, I consider both Rainbow's Rising and LLRR to be somewhat superior records to the elf's debut with an ultimately far bigger, better band that he had inherited upon his arrival at the turn of the decade..Besides, we have already had our firefights over H&H..
    Even Rising had a fair share of filler, let alone the other two Dio-fronted albums with Rainbow. Now, Dio/Rainbow and Dio/Sabbath have both produced some timeless rock/metal anthems in their time (and I hope that Dio/Sabbath keeps the banner high) so it really boils down to personal taste. Have to admit, I much prefer Iommi to Blackmore not only as a guitar player (me being more into Sabbath/Metal than into Purple/Hard Rock), but as a person as well. At least Tony was never randomly behaving like an asshole. Or worked with Joe Lynn Turner.

    ...And I hadn't counted on making such a hilariously, nonsensically titled thread to ever warrant the exchanges we just had...
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    [quote[As for Geezer, that man seemed to have got plain lazy, smug or just his formerly snazzy lyrical instincts badly deserted him within the latter incarnations of a much-changed band, a band he had helped once make mightily memorable, with the power of his penned lyrics alone, not to speak of his bewitching bass playing..
    Either that, or he has simply degenerated, judging by the lyrics on his solo albums which show marked decline in quality and subtlety (some - though not all - of his early lyrical works with Sabbath have been awesome). Someone (citation needed!) on this board once said about Ohmwork's lyrics: "if Electric Funeral had been written today it would have been called 'Oh Shit' or something. No tact or subtletly left in the man'.
    Now tell me, did you like Ohmwork? [/quote] sorry but Geezer didn't write lyrics for his solo albums, he's left that up to the vocalists
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    What Lyrical Theme did Born Again Album have
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    Quote Originally Posted by God of Thunder View Post
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    A lot of the songs had a weird "Satanic" vibe to them, though saying that, Black Sabbath aren't a Satanic band whatsoever.
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    A lot of the songs had a weird "Satanic" vibe to them, though saying that, Black Sabbath aren't a Satanic band whatsoever.
    Well, music on "Born Again" might be dark and satanic, the lyrics harly are :

    Trashed tells how Gillan, while completely drunk, destroyed Bill Ward's car racing around the Manor studios.

    Disturbing the Priest is about the priest in the church next to the band's rehearsal room. He came to complain because the band played too loud and disturbed the choir rehearsals. So the guys asked him the schedule of his choir rehearsals so they would stop playing during them and wouldn't bother him anymore.

    Zero the Hero, apparently, is about someone the band knew, but I don't think they ever said who he was...

    Digital Bitch is most likely about $haron (Ian Gillan : "I remember exactly who inspired this story, but the only thing I can reveal about her identity is that neither she, nor her father, had anything to do with computers.")

    Born Again - Ian Gillan : "It's hard to say what was going through my mind. Sometimes you're trying to express an intangible feeling. 'Grey and plastic retards' is probably a dig at some of the less inspired members of our profession, (that would be on the business side of things). There's always a need for rhyme, but reason is an altogether more elusive little devil. Overall it's a quite an introverted study about something rising inside. I get off balance sometimes and I was on the way to getting centred again. It was good being with Sabbath and maybe there's a hint of the future there. The DP reunion was only a year or so ahead."

    Hot Line, this one I have no clue...

    Keep it Warm is an ode to Gillan's then wife to be.

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    Thanks for posting that, cool insight to some of the songs.
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    It is important to remember that many of Ian Gillan's lyrics are not to be taken seriously in any way. He certainly doesn't.

    "Zero The Hero"...on a late 1983 boot I once owned he tells the audience "this is about someone we met last summer."
    He is not here. He has risen!

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    Once I thought that Zero the Hero is about Blackmore, someone who was rarely (if ever) on good times with Gillan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Once I thought that Zero the Hero is about Blackmore, someone who was rarely (if ever) on good times with Gillan.
    I could see what you mean by that. Back on the issue though, I don't think Born Again sounds like Purple, except the singer. Born Again is better than some Purple albums though like Who do we think we are? & Slaves and Masters. But still to different styles, Purple & Sabbath
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    Who Do We Think We Are has some good songs on it, I think. It's worth getting for "Woman From Tokyo" alone.
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    I thought that Black Sabbath sung about the Supernatural so why would Mr Gillan sing about himself in Trashed the main question is why? Other songs like Zero the hero was about Frankenstein i men the setting of the song do think! I am doing a project about my song writting and having yhe same lyrical concepts that Mr Gillan used
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    Quote Originally Posted by God of Thunder View Post
    I thought that Black Sabbath sung about the Supernatural so why would Mr Gillan sing about himself in Trashed the main question is why? Other songs like Zero the hero was about Frankenstein i men the setting of the song do think! I am doing a project about my song writting and having yhe same lyrical concepts that Mr Gillan used
    I'm not certain I understood everything you wrote (a little more ponctuation could help...) but thinking that Sabbath's lyrical themes are limited to the supernatural is plain wrong. In fact, most of the band's song deal with other subjects. Just examples from the top of my head : "Hand of Doom" is about heroin addiction, "Paranoid" is about mental illness, "Sweet Leaf" is about cannabis, "Snowblind" is about cocaine, "Johnny Blade" is about Bill Ward's brother, "Junior's Eyes" is an hommage to Ozzy's father, "War Pigs" is about war... I could go on forever.

    As for "Zero The Hero" being about Frankenstein, I think you've been mislead by the promo video they did at the time. If you take a look at the lyrics, you'll see there's absolutely nothing dealing with the supernatural, the song is definitely about some hopeless loser.

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    I meant was the setting of the video was like Frankenstein not the Lyrica
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    The voice may sound like Purple it's Gillan singing, the music certainly does not, in no way shape or form.

    Purple never did anything as heavy as Sabbath, not in my book, Zero The Hero, one of the heaviest Sabbath songs.
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    The only connection between Born Again album and Deep Purple, is the singer. I have heard the whole discography of Deep Purple and i have to admit that even Purple's most wild albums (In Rock, Machine Head), do not come close to the Sabbath's heaviness. The music style is familiar at points but this is because of the Gillan's manner of putting a scream in the song structure or to just pass from one part of the song to the other (intro of Trashed, passage from Chorus to guitar solo in Hotline).

    Although Deep Purple claimed one of the Heavy metal pioneers, they don't match the heaviness of Black Sabbath. Even the band members denying the "Heavy Metal" banner and they stick with the "Heavy Rock" banner because it is Rock n' Roll music with a heavier style. But, Deep Purple's heaviness, is steps lower from the heaviness of Black Sabbath.

    Having this in mind, it is pretty much useless to compare those two different things because of the mutual singer. As a Deep Purple and Ian Gillan fan, i must admit that Gillan's collaboration with Sabbath, brought to us THE HEAVIEST stuff in his whole career....

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    Nice points of view above from our Russian friend.

    In my opinion, there are few albums that should have never been made, at least under Black Sabbath moniker. Born Again and Forbidden above all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ville View Post
    Nice points of view above from our Russian friend.

    In my opinion, there are few albums that should have never been made, at least under Black Sabbath moniker. Born Again and Forbidden above all.
    I think Born Again is a great album, I play it often, it deserves to be under the Black Sabbath moniker as much as the Dio albums.
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    Sounds nothing like Deep Purple to me. To my ears, even Gillans has a different sound on this one than on the albums he had done with Purple up to that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ala View Post
    Sounds nothing like Deep Purple to me. To my ears, even Gillans has a different sound on this one than on the albums he had done with Purple up to that point.
    It sounds like Black Sabbath to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ala View Post
    Sounds nothing like Deep Purple to me. To my ears, even Gillans has a different sound on this one than on the albums he had done with Purple up to that point.
    You are right on that. Before joining Black Sabbath, Ian Gillan had nodules on his vocal cords and he had to stop to have a rest. This was the reason why he disbanded his own band. He went under surgery but, something went wrong and his voice started to have the sound we heard on the Born Again album. If you are into Deep Purple stuff, you will realise that on the Perfect Strangers album and the related tour, Gillan was struggling to pull out his trademark faltsettos or even those from the Born Again era. I think, from this period and after, Gillan's voice was going downhill in general and this is one of the reasons why Ritchie Blackmore left Deep Purple. Check out some stuff from the '93 tour and you will understand why Blackmore was outraged back then.

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